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Re:Hunter S. Thompson on Finding Your Purpose (1958) by AndrewKemendo on Monday August 29, 2016 @02:44AM (#12380406)
At a certain point you realize that experiences and stuff are equally as meaningless in the end.
Re:Hunter S. Thompson on Finding Your Purpose (1958) by terryf on Monday August 29, 2016 @03:02AM (#12380468)
In a finite physical universe, nothing has intrinsic meaning. The only meaning anything has, is the meaning that you attribute to that thing. Thus, anything that is meaningful to you, is the most meaningful thing in the universe.

No goal is better than any other, because there is no universally defined "better", everything just "is". Therefore, you are free to say that the goal you have chosen is better than any other, and you would be correct, because just by choosing it, you have changed the balance.

Re:Hunter S. Thompson on Finding Your Purpose (1958) by AndrewKemendo on Monday August 29, 2016 @03:37AM (#12380581)
I agree in principal, Hence, why I suggested Camus in my original comment.

But what happens when you can't attribute meaning to anything? Do you revert to religion or suicide (Those were the three options for camus)?

Re:Hunter S. Thompson on Finding Your Purpose (1958) by terryf on Monday August 29, 2016 @03:56AM (#12380632)
Yeah, I know that feeling - it is hard to get past it when it happens and it certainly takes a while for me every time it happens.

This is certainly not a universal cure, but for me the ideas presented in this ted talk have helped: https://www.ted.com/talks/dan_gilbert_asks_why_are_we_happy?...

So, set a goal and work towards that - but, looking at your profile that suggestion seems trite and silly, because you are and have been doing that for some time. Doing difficult things falls into the same category.

My suggestion would be to pick something completely pointless - something that you could easily pay someone to do for you, better than you have time-skill for and then do that.

For example, I'm building a house. Fairly big, not huge, wooden. I have no training in it and it has taken 5 years of evenings and weekends so far. Any reasonable construction team would have finished in 6 months and it would have had better quality of work.

I love it - it makes me happy to look at the small bit that I finished yesterday and somehow it gives me a sense of purpose. Maybe it's just a distraction - something to keep away the existential dread, but so what, because nothing has intrinsic value, this purpose is the best possible purpose for me.

Re:Hunter S. Thompson on Finding Your Purpose (1958) by brokenmachine on Tuesday August 30, 2016 @02:04AM (#12387851)
As an IT person, I am slightly jealous of people who can, at the end of the day, point at a physical thing that they have created.

At the end of my day I often feel that I have just kept the cogs grinding for another day. I do feel that my work is "important", and I'm good at it, and the money surely improves my quality of life, but it'd sure be nice to be outside sometimes in the real world digging a hole or planting a tree or something, not just the endless arranging of remote electrons.

Re:Hunter S. Thompson on Finding Your Purpose (1958) by terryf on Tuesday August 30, 2016 @02:55AM (#12388038)
As also an IT person, I agree! :)

Frankly what you describe is exactly why I started building real things as a hobby.

Re:Hunter S. Thompson on Finding Your Purpose (1958) by AndrewKemendo on Monday August 29, 2016 @04:13AM (#12380673)
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll look into it!
Re:Hunter S. Thompson on Finding Your Purpose (1958) by NikolaeVarius on Monday August 29, 2016 @08:18AM (#12381352)
Neither. He reject them both.

When you can't attribute meaning to anything, Camus says, according to some of my self-interpretation, that you have to live while accepting the triviality of it all. Live while acknowledging death is a perfectly valid alternative and nothing is really stopping you committing suicide. But only when you are on that edge are you truly living,

Re:Hunter S. Thompson on Finding Your Purpose (1958) by mtbcoder on Monday August 29, 2016 @06:50AM (#12381095)
> But what happens when you can't attribute meaning to anything? Do you revert to religion or suicide (Those were the three options for camus)?

Is this not the basis for The Myth of Sisyphus? If I recall correctly, Camus rejects both religion and suicide as ultimately absurd.

Re:Hunter S. Thompson on Finding Your Purpose (1958) by AndrewKemendo on Monday August 29, 2016 @03:30PM (#12384556)
No, the universe is absurd. The response to absurdity is giving up (death, credulous belief) or acceptance and defining meaning.
Re:Hunter S. Thompson on Finding Your Purpose (1958) by brokenmachine on Tuesday August 30, 2016 @01:55AM (#12387824)
Is this attitude something you are satisfied to stay with, or is it something you are interested in changing? Is your end goal to eventually be something like most people who are able to attribute meaning to experiences and stuff? I am assuming that you did all those things (travelling, family, etc) because you thought you'd get some sense of fulfilment out of them.

It's an honest question. I can imagine that a life without meaning would feel, well... meaningless.

Re:Hunter S. Thompson on Finding Your Purpose (1958) by noobermin on Monday August 29, 2016 @03:10AM (#12380494)
>In a finite physical universe

I am pretty existential too, so I agree with you generally...but I'm not sure what this clause has to do with the rest of what you said.

Re:Hunter S. Thompson on Finding Your Purpose (1958) by terryf on Monday August 29, 2016 @03:25AM (#12380553)
- finite: Infinity is weird. It's very hard to make arguments that hold when infinite resources are in the picture. Finite also includes the time dimension. If you have infinite time and/or space, intrinsic meaning may be possible, but I really have no idea.

- physical: That there is no other plane of existence to progress towards, heaven or enlightenment or anything else similar to those.

- universe: Whatever it is that we inhabit - multiverse, universe, inside of a black hole, we're not quite sure yet as far as I understand the physics (which isn't very far at all unfortunately. It is fascinating though)

Re:Hunter S. Thompson on Finding Your Purpose (1958) by pbhjpbhj on Monday August 29, 2016 @03:42AM (#12380593)
In your second clause i think perhaps you mean materialist[|ic] (or maybe physicalist) not physical. A soul, heaven, or other spiritual entities or spaces, aren't necessarily incompatible with a physical universe.
Re:Hunter S. Thompson on Finding Your Purpose (1958) by terryf on Monday August 29, 2016 @03:57AM (#12380633)
'tis a fair point, thanks.
Re:Hunter S. Thompson on Finding Your Purpose (1958) by whybroke on Monday August 29, 2016 @03:11AM (#12380498)
'Realize' is a strong claim, experiences may indeed be meaningless or they may not be. How could anyone ever prove one way or another? But if one could be convinced they were indeed meaningful, it might provide an avenue for happiness.

May I ask is it possible you desire something to desire?

Re:Hunter S. Thompson on Finding Your Purpose (1958) by AndrewKemendo on Monday August 29, 2016 @03:45AM (#12380600)
is it possible you desire something to desire?

That's an interesting philosophical ouroboros.

Re:Hunter S. Thompson on Finding Your Purpose (1958) by whybroke on Monday August 29, 2016 @01:45PM (#12383650)
Yes but it's also a practical psychological question. A person can come to a mental state where nothing in life interests them yet they wish there was something they enjoyed.

So, although possibly mundane, there is a point of view where the question "does anything in life have meaning" is less interesting than the question "is everything ok".

Re:Hunter S. Thompson on Finding Your Purpose (1958) by reddytowns on Monday August 29, 2016 @03:19AM (#12380526)
This is exactly what I'm talking about. We are just biological organisms evolved over millions of years to simply continue the human race. Why would you expect to find meaning?
Re:Hunter S. Thompson on Finding Your Purpose (1958) by noobermin on Monday August 29, 2016 @03:09AM (#12380489)
terryf has a fantastic comment, but what end are you talking about, death?

A good way of figuring out what you value is considering if you die tomorrow, why wouldn't you (assuming you aren't suicidal). If you really don't matter either way then why not just do the thing that feels good?

Re:Hunter S. Thompson on Finding Your Purpose (1958) by AndrewKemendo on Monday August 29, 2016 @03:40AM (#12380587)
Well that's essentially what I do - with an over current of dread.

I think if I could afford it I would probably be a habitual heroin user. From what I read, it seems to push all of the same biochemical "happiness" and "fulfillment" buttons as all of the other relationship/activity/experience things that people like to do, albeit with some side effects.

Re:Hunter S. Thompson on Finding Your Purpose (1958) by icebraining on Monday August 29, 2016 @09:02AM (#12381547)
They do, for a few minutes; the rest of the time, everything becomes even worse. And the experience is never quite like the first times, even by pushing up the doses. At least, that's what the users and ex-users I've known describe. Personally, I wouldn't trade even a life of quiet desperation for that.
Re:Hunter S. Thompson on Finding Your Purpose (1958) by neverknowsbest on Monday August 29, 2016 @01:52PM (#12383710)
Other replies were a little salty, and I can only say from personal experience------- but the awareness that you're out of it takes away some of the sanctuary of being high... especially if you're even moderately comfortable (in life, in mind, etc). Feels like you didn't come by it honest, and ruins it some.

On the other hand, if you're stuck in a shithole with a metric tonne of inner demons, it's pretty much tops.

Contentment, opiates. Happiness... like that innocent 'AHHHHH TOMORROW'S CHRISTMAS!' joy, I'd say MDMA instead

Re:Hunter S. Thompson on Finding Your Purpose (1958) by goldenkey on Monday August 29, 2016 @08:44AM (#12381455)
Hahaha. Easily said by someone who has never done opiates. Drugs aren't the creme de la creme either. Nothing grand stays grand. Drugs come with tolerance and general malaise.
Re:Hunter S. Thompson on Finding Your Purpose (1958) by NikolaeVarius on Monday August 29, 2016 @07:58AM (#12381282)
What happens if you have no problem with doing so? I would be perfectly comfortable with committing suicide any which time. I just don't do it because I don't have a reason to do so, but otherwise, meh.
Re:Hunter S. Thompson on Finding Your Purpose (1958) by nazgob on Monday August 29, 2016 @03:41AM (#12380591)
Could you elaborate? I'm in a place where stuff does not matter anymore (never did actually) and I try to focus on experiences. Is that path also a mistake?
Re:Hunter S. Thompson on Finding Your Purpose (1958) by AndrewKemendo on Monday August 29, 2016 @04:11AM (#12380669)
Dawson had an interesting response. I can't give you an answer. Maybe it will for you, maybe it won't. Beats not trying I suppose.
Re:Hunter S. Thompson on Finding Your Purpose (1958) by dawson on Monday August 29, 2016 @03:59AM (#12380641)
If nothing matters to you, there are no mistakes.