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Re:4WD vs. AWD. What's the Difference? by samwillis on Saturday August 27, 2016 @02:42PM (#12373574)
The Jaguar C-X75 [1] concept car uses exactly this idea, it uses a tiny and very efficient jet engine that is charging the batteries. Very neat idea.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_C-X75

Re:4WD vs. AWD. What's the Difference? by fnj on Sunday August 28, 2016 @04:39AM (#12375814)
1) That's not a "jet engine". It's a turboshaft. A turboshaft is a gas turbine producing its power mechanically at the shaft. A turbojet is a gas turbine producing its power in the form of reaction thrust out the tailpipe.

2) Gas turbines scaled down to small size (let alone "micro" size) generally have dismal thermal efficiency. All the most efficient gas turbines are gigantic (tens of thousands of hp).

Re:4WD vs. AWD. What's the Difference? by magicbuzz on Saturday August 27, 2016 @05:02PM (#12374157)
Jet engines are not "efficient". The SFC is worse than piston engines and in fact, the smaller the turbine the worse the efficiency:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake_specific_fuel_consumptio...

Re:4WD vs. AWD. What's the Difference? by esaym on Saturday August 27, 2016 @09:35PM (#12374926)
I've never heard that jet engines are less efficient. From what I remember piston engines are 33% thermally efficient, diesels 36% and turbine engines are upwards of 60%+. Of course there are many types of jet engines and ways to get power off of them.
Re:4WD vs. AWD. What's the Difference? by fnj on Sunday August 28, 2016 @04:23AM (#12375776)
You heard wrong. Diesels under optimum conditions can easily exceed 45%, and state of the art is right around 50%. Gasoline engines can reach 40% or better (again, under optimum conditions). Turboshafts are generally around 35-40% efficiency at best-economy conditions, and dismal under low-load conditions. The very largest turboshafts can reach 40-45%, but come nowhere near to diesel efficiency at low load.

In all cases, you can increase efficiency somewhat by going to the complication of compound cycle, where you harness some of the wasted heat in the exhaust by making steam.

Large, high bypass turbofan jet engines are very efficient from an overall propulsive efficiency standpoint, but you aren't measuring the same thing (shaft power times time, divided by energy consumption).

Re:4WD vs. AWD. What's the Difference? by epx on Sunday August 28, 2016 @02:36PM (#12377780)
And they burn cheaper fuel
Re:4WD vs. AWD. What's the Difference? by mschuster91 on Saturday August 27, 2016 @03:22PM (#12373749)
What the f..k. Thanks for that link, a jet engine?! That's crazy. But it's the "awesome" kind of crazy.

And the CO2 values... wow, how is that possible? Burning a defined amount of fuel should always produce the same amount of CO2?

Re:4WD vs. AWD. What's the Difference? by dredmorbius on Saturday August 27, 2016 @04:27PM (#12374020)
Gas turbines operate efficiently at constant output, which a hybrid-drive system with storage can manage. They only need to kick out enough power, on average, to keep the storage system fully charged. Batteries and eletric motors can handle both high-demand accelleration, and regenerative braking. Since the turbines are running at a very constant range, and can be rated to average out power load inclusive of idle times, they can be designed for optimum efficiency within that range. Or that's the theory.

There've been other gas-turbine automobiles, including some prototypes built in the 1960s. A friend of mine test drove one, claimed it could lay a patch (spin the tires) at highway speeds. Though my understanding is that in direct-drive applications (such as that), turbine lag is an issue.

The exhaust also runs quite hot, and turbines typically emit a lot of NOx (nitrous oxides), what you get when you run atmospheric nitrogen through a high-temperature field.

Much anecdata here, apply salt liberally.

Re:4WD vs. AWD. What's the Difference? by mikeash on Saturday August 27, 2016 @04:31PM (#12374035)
For anyone interested in turbines and cars, there's a delightful episode of Jay Leno's Garage about a Chrysler turbine car:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2A5ijU3Ivs

He talks extensively about how it works, what it's like to drive, and the various difficulties that resulted in it never entering mass production.

Re:4WD vs. AWD. What's the Difference? by fnj on Sunday August 28, 2016 @04:27AM (#12375785)
It sounded like a gigantic loud vacuum cleaner even just idling, and gave the impression of straining mightily to achieve even mild acceleration. Fuel consumption was TERRIBLE.
Re:4WD vs. AWD. What's the Difference? by fnj on Sunday August 28, 2016 @04:40AM (#12375820)
The large volume of very hot exhaust you mention is your clue that the thermal efficiency of small gas turbines is poor to dismal.
Re:4WD vs. AWD. What's the Difference? by maxerickson on Saturday August 27, 2016 @03:33PM (#12373801)
I assume the CO2 values factor in the electric only range.