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Re:Why Nearly Every Film Ends by Saying It’s Fiction by jessriedel on Saturday August 27, 2016 @06:32AM (#12371802)
Yes, how provincial and constraining are those rules about not lying!
Re:Why Nearly Every Film Ends by Saying It’s Fiction by scrollaway on Saturday August 27, 2016 @07:38AM (#12371920)
What "rules about not lying"? Movies are entertainment. Most of them are based on lies, regardless of what it says at the beginning or in the credits. Actors are professional liars. Hollywood thrives in fiction; story and tropes.
Re:Why Nearly Every Film Ends by Saying It’s Fiction by jessriedel on Saturday August 27, 2016 @08:30AM (#12372063)
Lies are distinguished from fiction by the intention to deceive about the real world, as opposed to counterfactual imagining.
Re:Why Nearly Every Film Ends by Saying It’s Fiction by oldmanjay on Saturday August 27, 2016 @10:19AM (#12372439)
Given that, what point were you making?
Re:Why Nearly Every Film Ends by Saying It’s Fiction by harryjo on Saturday August 27, 2016 @12:15PM (#12372930)
The point is, lying is bad, it rips the fabric of society. Fiction is not lying, it is useful, contextualized nontruth.
Re:Why Nearly Every Film Ends by Saying It’s Fiction by toomuchtodo on Saturday August 27, 2016 @12:36PM (#12373052)
Lies are the lubrication of society; you're lied to anywhere between 9-200 times a day.
Re:Why Nearly Every Film Ends by Saying It’s Fiction by PhasmaFelis on Saturday August 27, 2016 @07:37PM (#12374662)
I see what you did there.
Re:Why Nearly Every Film Ends by Saying It’s Fiction by sverige on Saturday August 27, 2016 @02:02PM (#12373412)
That depends on what the definition of "is" is.
Re:Why Nearly Every Film Ends by Saying It’s Fiction by jessriedel on Saturday August 27, 2016 @04:46PM (#12374093)
That lying to people in order to make your film feel more realistic is a bad thing to do, even if minor in the grand scheme.
Re:Why Nearly Every Film Ends by Saying It’s Fiction by gingerlime on Sunday August 28, 2016 @05:00PM (#12378508)
I don't think the intention was in any way to deceive the audience. I personally see it as part of their post-modern filmmaking[0] style.

What personally makes this style interesting to me is that there are usually several layers of meaning and intention. And usually references to other films or common perception or convention.

Even if the intention is to tell the truth or a true story, there's always the bias of the storyteller, the selection of what to tell, and what not to mention etc. So in this case, the Coen brothers re-used the "based on a true story" concept, and even exaggerated it. They re-use the format, but mock it at the same time.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodernist_film

Re:Why Nearly Every Film Ends by Saying It’s Fiction by jessriedel on Wednesday August 31, 2016 @03:08AM (#12396482)
It doesn't stop being an attempt to deceive just because it's self-aware, ironic, or motivated for other reasons. Likewise, murder during a robbery is still murder even if the primary is theft.
Re:Why Nearly Every Film Ends by Saying It’s Fiction by ncallaway on Saturday August 27, 2016 @12:21PM (#12372965)
There are no such rules about not lying.

We have societal norms about it, maybe. But there are certainly no explicit rules about this, and the societal norms about lying are already pushed to their breaking point when you walk in to a movie theatre.

Re:Why Nearly Every Film Ends by Saying It’s Fiction by posterboy on Saturday August 27, 2016 @01:40PM (#12373322)
Rule and norm are synonymous, IMHO. What is the difference? What makes a rule explicit? Do you mean laws? Law itself is often rather abstract, does that still count as explicit?

I think there are specific laws about fraud. In film they can claim artistic license, though.