Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star
by nerfhammer on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @02:30PM
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This is a known paradox, I forget what it's called though. The concept is that it's arguable that any long-term space travel is pointless because there will always be a faster ship surpassing it as the originating civilization improves its technology, and so on for that faster ship. So, it's irrational to ever launch anything...
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Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star
by uptown on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @02:37PM
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Apple has adopted a similar philosophy with their MacBook Pro line of computers.
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star
by mkhalil on Thursday August 25, 2016 @12:31AM
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I haven't laughed so much in days. Thank you.
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star
by ChristianBundy on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @03:05PM
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This is known as the incessant obsolescence postulate: http://arxiv.org/abs/1101.1066
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star
by kamaal on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @04:15PM
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>>This is a known paradox
>>So, it's irrational to ever launch anything...
That faster ship just won't appear out of the blue.
You need to launch slower ones to get to the faster ones.
Its like the original inventor of the car opting not to build it because someday there would be a Ferrari.
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star
by cgriswald on Thursday August 25, 2016 @02:42PM
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Improving the speed of a 1000-year ship may only require improvements in propulsion or structure (lighter ships). There are nearby incentives to create better propulsion and structure. We do not necessarily have to launch a 1000-year ship to create a 500-year ship.
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star
by 7Z7 on Thursday August 25, 2016 @10:03AM
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But you don't have to send your people 1000 years away.
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star
by cnp on Thursday August 25, 2016 @12:35AM
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Yup -- This is precisely the answer to the question, so it thus remains an unresolvable paradox.
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star
by mikeash on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @03:09PM
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Seems like you'd reach a point where it becomes worth it even with continuous improvement. If the speed of light really is a speed limit, then you'll get to a point where the maximum theoretical improvement is still some small amount. If there's a way to go faster than light, then you'll get to a point where it only takes two seconds to get to your destination.
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star
by dmurray on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @05:10PM
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Even without the speed limit, you can expect to reach this point. Let's say your technology gets 10% faster every 25-year generation, you should launch a 200-year trip but not a 250-year one. We'll probably keep improving at that pace or better for a few iterations at least, but eventually space travel will be a stable technology, speed improvements will be rare and incremental, and 1000-year journeys will be justified.
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star
by mikeash on Thursday August 25, 2016 @12:11PM
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Right, barring time travel, once you can make the voyage at all, you'll always reach a point where it makes sense to depart on it. If you invent technology that takes a million years to arrive, then you have a maximum deadline of a million years. Past that point, even instantaneous travel won't be worth waiting for, if your goal is simply to get there as early as possible.
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star
by jackcosgrove on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @04:35PM
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> So, it's irrational to ever launch anything...
Sounds like the interstellar version of Zeno's paradox.
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star
by utku_karatas2 on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @02:53PM
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On a tangent with this topic, you guys should treat yourselves with a short sci-fi story named "The road not taken".
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star
by semi-extrinsic on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @03:13PM
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I just finished reading the entire novel series that Turtledove spun out of that short story concept. It's really good, well-researched and imaginative.