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Re:Rate Limits by artursapek on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @01:55PM (#12306702)
Automation failing once shouldn't be a catastrophe; you could renew after 30 days and issue a pager alert if it fails. Then you'd have 60 days to figure out what went wrong, manually update it, and fix the issue with the automation.
Re:Rate Limits by toomuchtodo on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @02:01PM (#12306751)
At fully loaded engineer costs, if someone takes more than an hour or two to investigate, its already more expensive than a wildcard cert.
Re:Rate Limits by finnn on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @02:21PM (#12306989)
The few times I've had Let's Encrypt's automation fail it's taken a few minutes, not hours, to investigate and fix. Anecdotal, sure, but I don't see it taking hours to fix
Re:Rate Limits by toomuchtodo on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @03:08PM (#12307438)
Anecdotal, but managing thousands of VMs, hundreds of ELBs, service discovery, several CI pipelines, and so on, its never a few minutes unless its a blatant misconfigured flag.
Re:Rate Limits by jessaustin on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @04:54PM (#12308383)
It sounds as if your organization would be a customer for a different service than the one that LE provides.
Re:Rate Limits by viraptor on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @08:11PM (#12309528)
If you're issuing lots of internal certificates, you may be interested in using Anchor [1] instead. It's designed for that use case and with own service you don't need to worry about rate limits, name limits of similar issues.

While it's designed to cycle all your certificates every day, you can still configure it for weeks/months. It's also based on credentials rather than domain verification (shameless plug, I'm Anchor developer)

[1] https://github.com/openstack/anchor

Re:Rate Limits by dredmorbius on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @04:38PM (#12308267)
Apples/oranges comparison.

You're comparing engineer time to the wildcard cert transaction price. You're neglecting to include the time for dealing with the wildcard cert (including manually remembering to renew that).

With process automation, you (or better: a collaboratively supported tool) gets progressively better at nailing renewals.

JoshTriplett's "renew every 30 days, 60 days to fix the problem" approach strikes me as inspired.

Re:Rate Limits by makomk on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @03:47PM (#12307779)
How much does it cost to manually renew your certificate every year? How much does it cost if you forget to manually renew it, or make a mistake with one of the manual steps?
Re:Rate Limits by eridius on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @07:37PM (#12309361)
This is only true if all of your engineers are operating at 100% capacity all the time. In my experience that's generally not true (and if it was they'd probably burn out pretty fast). Unless you're staffed entirely by contractors and pay by the hour?
Re:Rate Limits by artursapek on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @02:06PM (#12306811)
If all you care about is money, sure.