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Re:How the Arab World Came Apart by crdoconnor on Thursday August 11, 2016 @08:18AM (#12267576)
Once the oil stops being important (Just Another Commodity like, e.g. iron ore), life will probably improve for citizens of the middle east:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_curse

We'll stop meddling and making things worse. The leaders of those countries won't be able to substitute oil wealth for popular support or funnel money into pushing Wahhabism.

It's the best thing that could happen to them.

Re:How the Arab World Came Apart by cstross on Thursday August 11, 2016 @08:24AM (#12267610)
It's the best thing that could happen to them.

... In the long term.

In the short term, it's going to be very, very bad for them indeed, as the sole source of foreign exchange goes away and the ordinary folks find themselves abandoned in a climate-change-drought-crippled land that has become populated well above its agricultural carrying capacity, and the elite jets off to enjoy their stolen wealth in Switzerland.

Re:How the Arab World Came Apart by manarth on Thursday August 11, 2016 @09:33AM (#12268051)
> in a climate-change-drought-crippled land that has become populated well above its agricultural carrying capacity

There was a recent HN article about Israel's progress with desalination[1]. Obvious funding issues aside, I wonder if that approach could ease some of the water issues?

Perhaps that kind of investment would be a good use for the oil income, whilst they've still got it.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12191089

Re:How the Arab World Came Apart by ktRolster on Thursday August 11, 2016 @01:29PM (#12270118)
Fortunately some countries (like Saudi Arabia) are making steps to reduce their dependency on oil, because they can see the coming problems if they don't.
Re:How the Arab World Came Apart by ekianjo on Thursday August 11, 2016 @08:54AM (#12267798)
> In the short term, it's going to be very, very bad for them indeed

It's not like they would not see it coming. Petrol is eventually going to become too expensive at some point, and they should invest accordingly. But numerous past examples of countries relying on raw resources have shown they usually don't adapt and plan, so I don't have too much hope in their case either.

Re:How the Arab World Came Apart by cstross on Thursday August 11, 2016 @09:44AM (#12268132)
Who is this "they" you speak of (who can't see it coming)?

The rulers are doing fine -- they've got armies and secret police and offshore investments so that when things turn to shit they can just jet off into exile like the Shah of Iran.

The ordinary folks don't have the money and they don't have the oil, they stay quiet for now because they don't want to be imprisoned or executed and because the rulers spend a small chunk of their surplus on social security.

In other words, the people with money to invest don't care, and the folks who might care are in no position to take action.

Re:How the Arab World Came Apart by maxmax on Thursday August 11, 2016 @10:51AM (#12268663)
That the problem is foreseeable doesn't make it less tragic.
Re:How the Arab World Came Apart by crdoconnor on Thursday August 11, 2016 @09:01AM (#12267838)
I can see that happening to Saudi Arabia but not the middle east as a whole. A lot of them don't really see the benefit of the oil wealth (especially in surrounding 'pipeline' countries that don't have oil), they only get to deal with the fallout.
Re:How the Arab World Came Apart by Aelinsaar on Thursday August 11, 2016 @08:53AM (#12267793)
To their descendants, maybe.