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Re:Beyond Bitcoin – Part II: Blockchain-based systems withou... by tromp on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @03:40PM (#12257212)
On page 4 the paper states

"if we outline a scenario in which Bitcoin reaches the same value of the current global fiat money supply, supposing that the energy consumption of global Bitcoin would grow linearly with its value"

This supposition is highly unrealistic, since the scenario will likely play out over many decades, during which there will be many block reward halvings (once every 4 years), which will severely dampen the energy consumption.

Viewed differently, each halving allows the value of bitcoin to double while maintaining the same energy consumption. At least until the reward drops to a level comparable to the transaction fees...

Re:Beyond Bitcoin – Part II: Blockchain-based systems withou... by joosters on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @04:12PM (#12257381)
Why do you believe that? The last couple of halvings appeared to have little effect on the global hashrate, and so had little effect on the energy consumption.

The vast majority of Bitcoin mining is done by professionals. I doubt many people buy thousands of dollars worth of hardware to mine simply for fun. Miners are looking to profit.

People will mine the coin up until the point at which it becomes unprofitable. The cost of mining is more or less the cost of electricity (you can amortise the cost of the mining hardware over time). It makes sense to mine when the value of a coin is higher than the cost of the power used in mining it. Electricity cost is proportional to energy consumption. Hence, Bitcoin's energy consumption is proportional to its value.

Re:Beyond Bitcoin – Part II: Blockchain-based systems withou... by flashdance on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @04:55PM (#12257641)
Bitcoins energy consumption is related to the USD value of bitcoins mined every day, not the value of each individual bitcoin.

Consider the extreme case: Tomorrow, the block reward changes such that only one bitcoin is mined a day @ $600/coin. The hashrate would definitely drop in that case, even though the price stayed the same!

> The last couple of halvings appeared to have little effect on the global hashrate, and so had little effect on the energy consumption.

True, but the system was not at equilibrium--the cost to mine a bitcoin had not yet approached the value gained from selling one, so after the halving most miners were profitable, and the hashrate stayed the same.

Re:Beyond Bitcoin – Part II: Blockchain-based systems withou... by TheDong on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @11:52PM (#12259408)
Mining hashrate is related ot the value of bitcoin because mining is how you secure the existing bitcoins.

The more valuable bitcoins are, the more incentive there is to secure the system such that they retain their value and security.

Re:Beyond Bitcoin – Part II: Blockchain-based systems withou... by mynameislegion on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @04:22PM (#12257435)
> Miners are looking to profit.

This is true in a sense, but a majority of the mining is done by Chinese pools which do sell at a loss to the electricity costs even there. The losses are acceptable because it is used as a way to get currency out of the country.

Re:Beyond Bitcoin – Part II: Blockchain-based systems withou... by joosters on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @04:33PM (#12257504)
A majority, you say? Where's your evidence of this, or are you making stuff up?

Bitcoin is certainly one way to get money out of China, but there has never been a shortage of ways to do that:

http://ftalphaville.ft.com/files/2016/03/Screen-Shot-2016-03...

Re:Beyond Bitcoin – Part II: Blockchain-based systems withou... by api on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @04:31PM (#12257492)
Chinese capital controls seem to be distorting all kinds of markets. Around here (SoCal) I've heard of Chinese "investors" buying houses at 5-10% over asking sight unseen and not caring about possible depreciation because it's a way to get money out of China. Losses as high as 25% are apparently acceptable to some people looking to get past capital controls.
Re:Beyond Bitcoin – Part II: Blockchain-based systems withou... by hueving on Tuesday August 09, 2016 @04:19PM (#12257414)
Well a halving halves as much value you get per kwh of energy spent if the hashrate stays the same. So it will eventually hit a point where a halving will make a lot of miners unprofitable and the overall hashrate will slow down until it reaches a balance again.
Re:Beyond Bitcoin – Part II: Blockchain-based systems withou... by codingmyway on Wednesday August 10, 2016 @10:57AM (#12262227)
This is what the halvings are for, to counteract the increase in hashing as the value of coins goes up.