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Re:Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine S... by kalleboo on Friday August 05, 2016 @06:52AM (#12231260)
> I don't understand why the EU isn't doing anything about it

The problem is that right now the EU isn't one copyright market - each EU country is a separate market, with a tonne of legacy exclusive distribution deals in place. If the EU was a single market, it would be the same size or bigger than the US market and would probably get better attention.

The EU is working on it, it just moves at the speed of bureaucracy (and of course each country has lobbyists in the local media which has those legacy exclusive distribution deals resisting it)

Here's the page on copyright harmonization: https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/copyright

And check the "Geo-blocking" and "Intellectual Property Rights Enforcement" headlines here hhttp://ec.europa.eu/growth/single-market/digital/

Re:Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine S... by skoczymroczny on Friday August 05, 2016 @07:29AM (#12231420)
Wouldn't making EU single market and getting rid of geoblocking pretty much remove regional pricing? The piracy then would surge even more, because in Eastern Europe you can't expect people to spent 10% of their salary on a new videogame.
Re:Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine S... by kalleboo on Friday August 05, 2016 @08:26AM (#12231719)
> Wouldn't making EU single market and getting rid of geoblocking pretty much remove regional pricing

Yes, it would. That's the whole point of the Euro currency and the long-term goal of the EU.

And that's the main reason a lot of people thought the quick expansion of the EU towards the east (or even the south) was a mistake - if you have a common market and a common travel area, but wildly differing economies, you create strife.

Re:Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine S... by rangibaby on Friday August 05, 2016 @07:42AM (#12231468)
Well then they should just give everyone the cheap price. I don't see why Hollywood is entitled to x% of my salary. If it means they have to spend a few mllion dollars less on advertising Captain America 4 or Star Wars 8 or Fast and Furious 8 then so be it.
Re:Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine S... by whatok on Friday August 05, 2016 @08:00AM (#12231552)
Or you could just not watch those movies. Hollywood is not entitled to your money in the same way that you are not entitled to free or or "cheap" access to their products.
Re:Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine S... by bnj on Friday August 05, 2016 @05:16PM (#12235804)
Be that as it may, a consequence of piracy is that Hollywood is forced to the bargaining table. Protesting against that feeling of entitlement to better prices is a common theme on HN, but it ignores the (current) reality that if someone wants to watch the latest Hollywood blockbuster for free, there is nothing to stop them from doing so.
Re:Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine S... by stdbrouw on Friday August 05, 2016 @08:47AM (#12231829)
I don't see why you are entitled to a cheap price.
Re:Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine S... by philh on Friday August 05, 2016 @08:55AM (#12231883)
> If it means they have to spend a few mllion dollars less on advertising Captain America 4 or Star Wars 8 or Fast and Furious 8 then so be it.

It's not like they have "spend money on advertising" as a terminal value. They spend money on advertising because advertising makes money.

Re:Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine S... by lagadu on Friday August 05, 2016 @08:22AM (#12231688)
If that were true, everyone would be using the cheaper spotify prices some countries have in Europe, which almost doesn't happen.

The problem is that they require a payment method from a country by having residence there, that alone prevents abuse in the overwhelming majority of situations.

For the record, I am one of those cases (technically I'm a resident in three countries, potentially 4 next year), so I'm pretty much aware of the details of it.

Re:Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine S... by tormeh on Friday August 05, 2016 @07:06AM (#12231317)
>The EU is working on it, it just moves at the speed of bureaucracy

I would guess the speed is more limited by 27 governments having to agree on everything.

Re:Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine S... by mrweasel on Friday August 05, 2016 @08:44AM (#12231810)
While I think that's part of it, I also don't think that the movie and record studios are really pushing for a reform either.

The largest studios could, in theory, go to the EU with a proposal for how they would like a single market for movies and music to work. They won't because they like the ability to have differentiated prices. Having to sell a movie in Sweden for the same price as in Slovenia translates directly to lost profit. Selling in Slovenia at Swedish prices results in lower sales figures and more piracy. So I doubt the big players are all that interested in help the EU on this one.

Re:Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine S... by kalleboo on Friday August 05, 2016 @07:10AM (#12231341)
Getting 27 countries to agree on something sounds like bureaucracy nightmare to me :)

So, I just looked up the word "bureaucracy" in a dictionary and it says "a system of government in which most of the important decisions are made by state officials rather than by elected representatives.". I always thought that was what a technocracy was.

The secondary definition is "excessively complicated administrative procedure, seen as characteristic of bureaucracy" which is the only usage I can remember seeing.

Re:Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine S... by malka on Friday August 05, 2016 @07:32AM (#12231436)
Technocracy is more about "experts make the décisions"
Re:Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine S... by marcosdumay on Friday August 05, 2016 @07:47AM (#12231482)
You seem to have a very bad dictionary.

Bureaucracy comes from the French word "bureau", that means office. It names the way things are organized in an office, and was created for private offices, only adopted for governments later.

Re:Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine S... by kalleboo on Friday August 05, 2016 @08:29AM (#12231730)
I'll forward your opinion to the Oxford Dictionary of English
Re:Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine S... by khedoros on Friday August 05, 2016 @02:29PM (#12234716)
The French "bureaucratie" was coined in the 18th century by French economist Jean Claude Marie Vincent de Gournay, from French "bureau" (office/desk) + Greek "-kratia" (power of), as a criticism of how government over-regulation can stunt commerce.

It came into English in the early 19th century, carrying a similarly negative connotation. The connotations have shifted back and forth somewhat since then.

Still, it seems that it's never been primarily used to talk about private offices in English or French; the primary use has always referred to governments.

Re:Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine S... by philh on Friday August 05, 2016 @08:57AM (#12231893)
The EU also has more languages than the US. Even if it was legally a single market, that wouldn't make it a single market culturally.
Re:Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine S... by kalleboo on Friday August 05, 2016 @10:02AM (#12232372)
Agreed, but making things available and advertising them are different things. You can hold off advertising them until you have a dubbing or subtitle available, but people who want to watch it anyway can go ahead and find it with a direct search. In several EU countries, a majority of the population is already English-fluent (or can get by with English subtitles), and those realities aren't reflected by the market.
Re:Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine S... by Nullabillity on Friday August 05, 2016 @09:02AM (#12231933)
Yes, but that doesn't prevent you from just publishing it in english, initially at least.
Re:Torrentz Shuts Down, Largest Torrent Meta-Search Engine S... by kalleboo on Friday August 05, 2016 @09:58AM (#12232343)
Right, and the countries with the smallest populations are more likely to have a majority population not needing subtitles.