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Re:U.S. Team Wins First Place at International Math Olympiad by yummyfajitas on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @11:55PM (#12223287)
Opening the floodgates can be tremendously beneficial provided we allow capitalism to work. It's called comparative advantage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage

Of course, the modern welfare state cuts against that, as do the harmful externalities imposed by (eventual) voting. But the humane solution here - which might be politically impossible - is to allow immigration while eliminating the welfare state and making the newcomers into a permanent non-voting underclass.

Re:U.S. Team Wins First Place at International Math Olympiad by Chris2048 on Thursday August 04, 2016 @07:54AM (#12224888)
> Opening the floodgates can be tremendously beneficial

Beneficial to who? Factory owners - yes, factory workers - no ...

Re:U.S. Team Wins First Place at International Math Olympiad by yummyfajitas on Thursday August 04, 2016 @09:18AM (#12225258)
It's true that rent seekers who currently use state-sanctioned violence to prevent economic competition might be harmed in a visible manner.

But factory workers are consumers too and gain (less visible) benefits from immigrants. I.e. if you work at factory X but consume goods produced at factory Y, you benefit from cheaper labor at factory Y. If you work at factory X but consume medicine, you benefit from having an Indian doctor and a Filipina nurse.

Re:U.S. Team Wins First Place at International Math Olympiad by Chris2048 on Friday August 05, 2016 @09:06AM (#12231963)
> but consume goods produced at factory Y, you benefit from cheaper labor at factory Y

Assuming the savings are passed on to the consumer.

I think it's more important that the owners vastly benefit, and may manage to push down wages across more than just one industry by leveraging economic differences between nations that only they can take advantage of.

Re:U.S. Team Wins First Place at International Math Olympiad by netheril96 on Thursday August 04, 2016 @01:47AM (#12223646)
> is to allow immigration while eliminating the welfare state and making the newcomers into a permanent non-voting underclass.

If the political climate allows a separate class of citizens, then there is no need to eliminate the welfare state.