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Re:U.S. Team Wins First Place at International Math Olympiad by pcurve on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @09:45PM (#12222815)
I would guess that they were born here, or came here as a very young child. You'd need to have fairly good mastery of English to correctly interpret those questions.
Re:U.S. Team Wins First Place at International Math Olympiad by umanwizard on Thursday August 04, 2016 @01:15AM (#12223522)
That's totally false. Plenty of Chinese and Indian researchers are reading math papers and books in English, which requires the same level of English skills.

I learned a foreign language to fluency at age 17, and math is one of the easiest things to read in the second language because the grammar is never very creative and the vocabulary is much more restricted than a novel or even a typical newspaper.

(Tangentially, a lot of people born in raised in India speak English at near-native levels. Especially the well-educated classes that would be likely to move to the US and participate in something like this.)

Re:U.S. Team Wins First Place at International Math Olympiad by gohrt on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @09:48PM (#12222828)
Maybe? The questions are translated into many languages, and many many non-Americans (especially well-educated non-Americans) learn technically capable English.
Re:U.S. Team Wins First Place at International Math Olympiad by fma on Thursday August 04, 2016 @01:06AM (#12223491)
You must not know a lot of Chinese born Americans. English is taught in China starting at elementary school. Their literacy skills are higher than verbal, thus reading word problems would not be difficult.
Re:U.S. Team Wins First Place at International Math Olympiad by Swizec on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @09:57PM (#12222857)
I came here at 26. My English tests at native levels or above (it's been ~10 years since I took the test). Most people assume I'm a native speaker until they hear my accent and even that is going away.

English really isn't that hard to learn.

Re:U.S. Team Wins First Place at International Math Olympiad by geomark on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @11:00PM (#12223101)
I'm impressed when someone says English is not hard to learn. I'm a native English speaker now living in an Asian country where I have learned the language. When I view English from my new perspective it seems so much more difficult. Even just trying to explain to non-native speakers inconsistent pronunciations it seems ridiculous (how about these 4 words: rough, plough, though, through). I can't even get started on verb conjugations and all the irregularities
Re:U.S. Team Wins First Place at International Math Olympiad by WildUtah on Thursday August 04, 2016 @03:41AM (#12224038)
English is tough, though through thorough thought it can be mastered.
Re:U.S. Team Wins First Place at International Math Olympiad by 77pt77 on Thursday August 04, 2016 @08:54AM (#12225145)
What a concise way to get your point across.
Re:U.S. Team Wins First Place at International Math Olympiad by gone35 on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @11:25PM (#12223178)
Idiomatic English is hard. From your HN profile[0]:

"At least 5000 people bought my books..."

Don't ask me why, but to me it should read instead:

"at least 5000 people have bought my books,"

or even:

"over 5000 people have bought my books."

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=Swizec

Re:U.S. Team Wins First Place at International Math Olympiad by dasfasf on Thursday August 04, 2016 @12:03AM (#12223309)
Just "bought" implies that the sale of the books is compassed in the past. It sounds strange because no explicit compass is mentioned and the reader suspects they are still for sale. I don't see anything wrong with "at least" though. Note that "over" changes the meaning (>= vs. >) and at least some prescriptivists obelize using "over" like that (I believe the AP Stylebook used to).
Re:U.S. Team Wins First Place at International Math Olympiad by gone35 on Thursday August 04, 2016 @12:26AM (#12223381)
[...]and at least some prescriptivists obelize using "over" like that (I believe the AP Stylebook used to).

Indeed they did, until very recently[0]. I had no idea.

[0] http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/more-than...

Re:U.S. Team Wins First Place at International Math Olympiad by Swizec on Thursday August 04, 2016 @12:27AM (#12223386)
But in idiomatic spoken English, at least in the US, people omit that have. I agree that it's there for more formal or more British English.

Also, what you're describing goes beyond native level English and reaches the level of professional writer/teacher/linguist/editor/etc level English. I would expect many HN readers to have English proficiency beyond native level.

Re:U.S. Team Wins First Place at International Math Olympiad by umanwizard on Thursday August 04, 2016 @01:18AM (#12223535)
You have got to be kidding me. I'm a native English speaker and the sentence sounds totally fine the way he wrote it. Plenty of native speakers could have produced it and I'm not even totally convinced (though it might be true I guess) that the other two are statistically more common
Re:U.S. Team Wins First Place at International Math Olympiad by Myrmornis on Thursday August 04, 2016 @03:57AM (#12224103)
"Over 5000 ... have bought" is obviously the best formulation to a native English speaker who can write / copy edit well.
Re:U.S. Team Wins First Place at International Math Olympiad by Alphasite_ on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @11:35PM (#12223214)
You example makes the point that formal English hard to write, not hard to read.
Re:U.S. Team Wins First Place at International Math Olympiad by laxatives on Thursday August 04, 2016 @12:32AM (#12223406)
Speaking idiomatic English is irrelevant in technical or professional discourse however. His point is clearly made, even if it is not the most natural syntax/semantics possible.
Re:U.S. Team Wins First Place at International Math Olympiad by pcurve on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @10:02PM (#12222876)
That's very impressive. Obviously everyone will experience different learning curve, but you are an exceptional individual and not a norm.
Re:U.S. Team Wins First Place at International Math Olympiad by Swizec on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @10:11PM (#12222915)
I think it has more to do with the fact that most of the develop world starts learning English before they're 10 years old. And a lot of the music/movies/internat is in English as well.
Re:U.S. Team Wins First Place at International Math Olympiad by thinkpad20 on Thursday August 04, 2016 @12:59AM (#12223469)
I'm sure it also has to do with what country you were raised in, your exposure to media etc, your educational and support system, your level of motivation and dedication, and your aptitude. I taught English for three years in a foreign country to many smart people who struggled to learn the language. Although English is apparently not difficult for you, the claim that "English really isn't that hard" is clearly untrue for a great many learners. (Also there are a few minor errors in the above post ;))
Re:U.S. Team Wins First Place at International Math Olympiad by Swizec on Thursday August 04, 2016 @01:35AM (#12223605)
As with anything, it depends. It's never seemed hard to me and I'm sure we can all agree that it's among the easier languages for people to learn. At least people coming from indoeuropean languages.

As for errors, I've noticed that spending time in the US and using colloquial English a lot, has wreaked havoc on my English grammar. Or maybe it's the distance from schooling that did it.

Re:U.S. Team Wins First Place at International Math Olympiad by fengwick3 on Thursday August 04, 2016 @06:18AM (#12224552)
I beg to differ. Math olympiad problems are typically short and concise, and mathematical phrasing, even when expressed in English, typically has clear bijections to equivalent terms in other languages.