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Re:Verizon: We Can't Become Dumb Pipes by rayiner on Tuesday August 02, 2016 @04:45PM (#12213255)
You're talking past each other. Google Fiber may well be profitable, but that doesn't mean that Google wants to become a "nationwide fiber network." Google is playing a fundamentally different game: building in cities that don't force them to build-out to neighborhoods where people can't pay $70+ per month. That might fly in Atlanta or Kansas City, but it won't fly in San Francisco. Google has shown no interest in playing that game.
Re:Verizon: We Can't Become Dumb Pipes by tw04 on Tuesday August 02, 2016 @06:20PM (#12213888)
Google already is a nationwide fiber network, and has been for a decade. The question is how much of that network they want to use to carry customer traffic on. Reality is: it costs them next to nothing to add the additional traffic, so as long as last-mile is profitable I'm willing to bet they'll be happy to do it all day long.

The limited deployments at the moment are BECAUSE they want it self-sustaining/profitable to continue to justify roll-outs.

Re:Verizon: We Can't Become Dumb Pipes by rayiner on Tuesday August 02, 2016 @06:39PM (#12213981)
I'm talking about a nationwide last mile network, not a nationwide backbone network. Google can't build the former with its current rollout approach. It's not just a matter of time, but the very nature of Google Fiber as a business.

Fiber providers live and die by their uptake rate. Most of the investment is in passing a house, but only about a third of houses you pass will subscribe. The cost of passing all the other houses has to be recovered from those that do subscribe. Historically, a condition of entering a city has been wiring up the whole city, without regard to customer interest in different neighborhoods. Google refuses to play that game. It only builds to Fiberhoods with demonstrated interest. That changes the economics entirely. But it's highly unlikely that approach will work across the country.

Re:Verizon: We Can't Become Dumb Pipes by tw04 on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @03:22PM (#12220708)
>Fiber providers live and die by their uptake rate.

When their sole source of income is selling broadband. Part of the profit for google fiber includes the ads served up. If you think they don't track ad serving to their own customers based on the IP addresses they're accessing google from, you're crazy.

While I don't think ANYONE outside of Google knows their end-game - it's entirely possible that the fiberhoods are just proving the business model out before further investment.

Re:Verizon: We Can't Become Dumb Pipes by amazon_not on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @04:50PM (#12221402)
> Part of the profit for google fiber includes the ads served up.

The ad income is just peanuts compared to the monthly cost of Google Fiber. We are talking about a few bucks per month for ads versus $70 for fiber. Ads are just not going to move the needle in any meaningful way.

Re:Verizon: We Can't Become Dumb Pipes by home_boi on Tuesday August 02, 2016 @09:59PM (#12215029)
Are you sure they have the capacity? The reason why Google didn't offer cloud services earlier is because they were using up all of their cloud.
Re:Verizon: We Can't Become Dumb Pipes by tw04 on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @03:20PM (#12220691)
http://www.wired.com/2016/06/google-turns-giant-internet-cab...

I'm quite confident they have the capacity. They have more than pretty much everyone besides maybe the government.

Re:Verizon: We Can't Become Dumb Pipes by daave on Tuesday August 02, 2016 @10:39PM (#12215194)
> The reason why Google didn't offer cloud services earlier is because they were using up all of their cloud. [citation needed]

It was a (poor) business decision not to go for public cloud earlier, but not driven by datacenter capacity.

Re:Verizon: We Can't Become Dumb Pipes by swolchok on Tuesday August 02, 2016 @10:06PM (#12215056)
> don't force them to build-out to neighborhoods where people can't pay $70+ per month. That...won't fly in San Francisco.

https://fiber.google.com/cities/sanfrancisco/ Google Fiber is coming to parts of SF using existing fiber infrastructure.