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Re:Olympic executives cash in on a ‘Movement’ that keeps ath... by sdenton4 on Monday August 01, 2016 @12:16PM (#12203596)
Generally, the notion that people should accept less pay because they live their work is bullshit, and the lines of work that engage in and encourage this kind of reasoning are exploitative. Period.

We see this same dynamic in many lines of graduate education as well, a huge oversupply of students competing over a very long period of time for a tiny number of academic and research positions, and occasionally partying through the nose for the opportunity. And like the Olympics, the biggest payouts are for the management class, whose main tasks seem to be further commercializing the whole edifice. This commercialization happens to be synonymous with expanding exploitation of those lowest on the ladder (Mo labor Mo profits) and expanding the ranks of the managing class for their business school bros from the ivies.

(Pretty similar dynamics also appear in the non profit sector, fwiw.)

Re:Olympic executives cash in on a ‘Movement’ that keeps ath... by eanzenberg on Monday August 01, 2016 @12:58PM (#12203988)
No.

The IOC retains all the mind-share of the 'Olympic Spirit,' for lack of better terms. A curling competition on NBC will draw 0 viewers (and 0 money) ((estimating)). A curling event in the Olympics draws viewers because and only because it is 'The Olympics.' Take 'The Olympics' out of every esoteric event and you'll quickly see how little viewership it'll get.

Re:Olympic executives cash in on a ‘Movement’ that keeps ath... by forgetsusername on Monday August 01, 2016 @12:59PM (#12204001)
I guess that depends on what sports your country enjoys. Here in Canada curling championships get a pretty wide viewership (but the money isn't great).
Re:Olympic executives cash in on a ‘Movement’ that keeps ath... by djsumdog on Monday August 01, 2016 @01:01PM (#12204020)
Olympics destroy the economies of the cities they play in. This article shows just the insane amount of salary at the top get. These are people who are literally the top of human form and athleticism. The Olympics entertain the planet and bring in insane amounts of money and have insane trademark enforcement.

If I make over $100k for sitting on my ass all day writing software, then certainly these people deserve far more than they're getting. They shouldn't need to depend on additional endorsements/advertising money. Just by making it to the Olympics, they should get a decent amount, and those bastards at the top can afford to get a little less...shaving a few $100k here and there and distribute it.

Re:Olympic executives cash in on a ‘Movement’ that keeps ath... by cmurf on Monday August 01, 2016 @01:25PM (#12204222)
Kirk to Spock: "They're still using money. We need to get some."

...

Gillian: "Don't tell me they don't use money in the 23rd century."

Kirk: "Well, we don't."

Re:Olympic executives cash in on a ‘Movement’ that keeps ath... by djsumdog on Monday August 01, 2016 @01:49PM (#12204426)
eh..a little off topic, but I still want to comment on it. :-P Star Trek's utopia has a couple of major important technologies:

* Removal of energy scarcity - dilitium is mined off planets, by robots and provides cheap limitless energy

* Replicators - Controlling the atom to the point where we can make exact duplicates. If everyone can replicate a Rembrandt, the original no longer has its insane value. There's no wait to authenticate if something is "real" or "original" Some people prefer "real" food, even realizing the difference is pretty much all in their heads. All basic things can be copied and only the very complex can't be duplicated (like Lt Commander Data's brain).

So in such a universe, an athlete gets everything a regular earth citizen gets, and visa-versa. It doesn't matter if you're in Star Fleet or choose to bus tables in a restaurant, you get the same type of living accommodation, and you can live or work anywhere thanks to transporters and limitless energy. People choose the jobs they want. Star Fleet isn't a military operation and you can resign at any time. In this world, a lot of useless jobs would go away .. Olympic committee trademark enforces for example.

The whole thing breaks down terrible in some episodes. In DS9, Sisko's dad owns a restaurant with a bus boy. Someone chooses to be that bus boy .. for no money. Maybe if the writers used a robot bus boy?

Re:Olympic executives cash in on a ‘Movement’ that keeps ath... by logfromblammo on Monday August 01, 2016 @04:23PM (#12205596)
It breaks down further than that. Get a transporter lock on the uneaten food and dirty dishes and just de-replicate it from a distance. The "robot" busboy is never seen, except as transporter-effect vanishings of plates and leftovers.

But if consistency is your thing, you could retcon the whole thing by making the busboy an in-restaurant hologram. It would be like the emergency hologram doctor, except the hologram busboy would just be an artistic feature. In the Star Trek economy, you are paid in public appreciation for your talents. The richest person in the Federation is the one who has the most fans and followers.

So without scarcity, a lot of people would give away their holographic models and software, for the prestige of "holographic restaurant busboy reaches one million downloads!" It wouldn't really be any more complicated than visiting Nexusmods to get a modded Fallout or Skyrim NPC companion with full dialogue and bonus companion quest.

If the busboy is a character that also interacts outside the restaurant, that was just the guy who scanned his own likeness and programmed a facsimile of his own personality to make the busboy hologram. His real job isn't bussing tables, it's making it look like restaurant tables are being bussed instead of serviced remotely by transporter/replicator/hologram technology.

Does that make you feel better about the guy who does menial labor in a scarcity-free economy?

Re:Olympic executives cash in on a ‘Movement’ that keeps ath... by MichaelGG on Monday August 01, 2016 @03:03PM (#12205016)
Maybe there's some system of kudos that isn't addressed in canon. Like in The Algebraist. Working as a bus boy ups your rep and makes it more likely you get to run a restaurant or viewed highly. Perhaps there's a large contingent of "NEETs" that just hang out in holodecks all day. But society frowns on that and encourages doing _something_. Perhaps there's lots of places with robo bus boys, but it's far more prestigious

Also, at one point, there's mention of "teleporter credits" as an explanation of why going off to academy caused homesickness -- couldn't teleport on demand. Even in the Culture, citizens had to show their capability quite a bit to design a part of an orbital. They couldn't even get their own ships on demand.

Trademark enforcement would probably be one of the things kept in a post scarcity society, if there was any system of reputation left! Being an X(TM) athlete comes with prestige so you wouldn't want someone else to be able to endow that prestige at will.

Re:Olympic executives cash in on a ‘Movement’ that keeps ath... by danso on Monday August 01, 2016 @02:12PM (#12204597)
I think the whole thing breaks down with holodecks. Why would anyone put up with reality with virtual reality is so real? The propaganda budget must be huge, to convince people that there is value in serving real-life society (and the Federation) to prevent society from being wiped out by an external force.
Re:Olympic executives cash in on a ‘Movement’ that keeps ath... by ktRolster on Monday August 01, 2016 @03:01PM (#12204988)
Because getting time scheduled in a holodeck is really tough. They must have a high energy requirement or something.
Re:Olympic executives cash in on a ‘Movement’ that keeps ath... by logfromblammo on Monday August 01, 2016 @04:39PM (#12205729)
From what I know of nerds, the Federation would need to have an entire corps of cops that specifically watch out for self-replicating replicators and home-made holodecks built without "safety" interlocks or content restrictions.

The Starfleet holodecks are just scarce because the operating code and hardware has to be formally validated and certified as safe for use in Starfleet vessels and installations. It's like how a GPS device is really cheap, until you want one permanently installed in an aircraft cockpit. Even then, malicious code (Moriarty, if I recall correctly) could break out of the holodeck sandbox and compromise connected systems.

Re:Olympic executives cash in on a ‘Movement’ that keeps ath... by notahacker on Monday August 01, 2016 @01:59PM (#12204503)
Seriously, have you even looked at the economics? There are 10,200 people at the Olympics. Cutting a handful of overpaid executives on Team USA isn't even going to begin to scratch the surface of paying them a decent living, never mind the many who don't make it.
Re:Olympic executives cash in on a ‘Movement’ that keeps ath... by dsp1234 on Monday August 01, 2016 @02:45PM (#12204850)
Let's assume that the total revenue (not profit) for a 4 year Olympics stretch is 4 billion US dollars. The article shows that the annual revenue is 1.375 billion, but we'll drop the 375 million dollars as expenses (and to make the math easier), and we'll consider a 4 year stretch since some years are going to be lower revenue than others.

Now let's say that they give 50% of that to athletes. That's 2 billion US dollars @ 500 million US dollars per year. Split between the 10,200 people, that you quoted above, gives about $200k per 4 years, or about $50k per year.

So no, cutting the salary of a handful of executives is not going to help, but that's not really the whole story.

Re:Olympic executives cash in on a ‘Movement’ that keeps ath... by notahacker on Monday August 01, 2016 @05:30PM (#12206178)
Sure, your maths leaves $50k per athlete that actually competes in the Summer Olympics. But four years out, you're not certain who makes the team[1], so that money ends up split between the pool of athletes competing for each slot, which is quite a bit larger, particularly if your Olympic organization is trying to subsidise teenagers that might be the next generation of Olympians out of that same budget, and probably Winter Olympians as well[2]. So the idea that stipends to athletes might max out at $20k (as the article highlights for the US) starts to look quite reasonable even before we talk about the cost of sports coaches (lots of specialists and one-to-one coaching) and sports scientists, physios, masseurs, velodromes and other highly specialist venues, training camps, competitive trials, flights etc. On that basis, just as well that many national Olympic teams can top up their meagre Olympic allowances with sponsorship revenue, revenue from their own sporting events and government and lottery money.

[1]the ones you are sure will make the team barring serious injury are probably the ones most likely to have a decent sponsorship deal and not need the money so badly [2]Not sure whether the Winter Olympians factor into the article's revenue numbers or what their competitor numbers are like, but they're surely even more expensive sports to properly train for...

Re:Olympic executives cash in on a ‘Movement’ that keeps ath... by dsp1234 on Monday August 01, 2016 @06:14PM (#12206477)
you're not certain who makes the team

I'm not sure the IOC should be responsible for any potential competitors vs actual competitors. Even if it's only limited to those actually competing in the games, and only given out after competing, then that's a lump sum of $200k which they weren't getting before.

As for the stipends given out by USOC for Team USA, those are specifically for the US, and there appears to be no information on how much of that stipend originates from the IOC as compared to sponsorships obtained by from the USOC directly. Even then, most countries do not pay stipends that come even close to $20k US dollars. In many places, if the athletes got a full $200k for participating in the games, it would set them up for a very long time (if not for life).

As for the cost of sports coaches, training locales, etc, there's a whole 50% of revenue left over specifically to help pay for those costs (on top of local OC's). As noted in the article, professional US-based organizations, such as the NFL, generally share 50% of the revenue with athletes. Those organizations also have many of the same types of costs, but still are able to maintain an approximate 50/50 ratio.

More to the point, "have you even looked at the economics?". Yes. The conclusion that I have is that there is huge gulf between, (and using the USOC specifically here), USOC's claimed 90% spending and the article's "6 percent in cash payments" to athletes. So it's not clear cut that direct benefits to athlete's couldn't be raised, and substantially.

Re:Olympic executives cash in on a ‘Movement’ that keeps ath... by notahacker on Tuesday August 02, 2016 @05:29AM (#12208732)
If you deign to consider the possibility that providing the infrastructure and training to 10,200 people in dozens of sports in 200 countries on a 1bn annual budget might actually result in a higher level of overheads per competitor than training ~100 footballers at a single club with a $2bn annual budget, it becomes a bit more obvious why athletes get a smaller share of the pie in cash payments than participants in high profile team sports, even without the whole amateur ethos.

Funnily enough, a good friend of my brother's did spend 6-8 years of his life dedicating himself to getting ready for his first Olympics, going into debt in order to do so. Upon gaining a bronze medal he used the sponsorship windfall to cancel his debts and buy a house. I suspect if I suggested to him that the British Olympic team should have cut back on facilities or charged him for training and pushed him deeper into debt in order to ensure there was a moderate-sized lump sum waiting for him in the year he finally started being able to get money from commercial sources, I'd get a very weird look.

Re:Olympic executives cash in on a ‘Movement’ that keeps ath... by ktRolster on Monday August 01, 2016 @03:02PM (#12205001)
So.......where do all those billions in revenue go?
Re:Olympic executives cash in on a ‘Movement’ that keeps ath... by dsp1234 on Monday August 01, 2016 @05:28PM (#12206166)
That's the question right?

By law, they are not required to answer that question, so we have no way of knowing. Other than not directly to the athletes.