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Re:Ask HN: What was your “why didn't I start doing this soon... by andrepd on Friday July 29, 2016 @02:54PM (#12189021)
It's a hobby, and like any other hobby, it's profoundly stupid. How stupid is it to build model railways? How pointless is it to collect stamps. How dumb is it to fix cars? All "stupid" things we do for pleasure and for accomplishment. I suggest not being so focused on what should be stupid or not, and instead remember that time enjoyed is not time wasted.
Re:Ask HN: What was your “why didn't I start doing this soon... by carlisle_ on Friday July 29, 2016 @05:22PM (#12190130)
I have noticed there seems to be a lot of engineers that think life is an optimization problem, that time spent not working is time wasted. I don't understand it at all, the primary purpose of life should be in pursuit of happiness and joy. I don't get the people that deny themselves joy and happiness in lieu of slaving away with their work.

There are some people that genuinely find joy in their work, I have no problem with those people. They probably have a bit of a problem in their personal life with overdoing it at work, but as long as they genuinely enjoy it I can't fault them.

edit: I should say before somebody jumps down my throat, I'm not saying we shouldn't have to work, or work is so terrible. I'm saying work is usually a means to an end, and you're very lucky if you happen to enjoy what you do to any degree.

Re:Ask HN: What was your “why didn't I start doing this soon... by eslaught on Friday July 29, 2016 @03:12PM (#12189199)
> It's a hobby, and like any other hobby, it's profoundly stupid.

I profoundly disagree with your definition of hobby. My "hobby" is writing a science fiction novel. I don't get nearly as much time to do it as what I do for my day job, but I try hard to approach it with the same degree of seriousness that I bring to my work. So far, I don't think I've written anything anyone else would want to read, but I've managed to get to the point where I actually enjoy the process of writing.

Even better, I can sit back after I've written a chapter and say, "yeah, that actually embodies what I wanted to say". There is a very profound satisfaction in being able to do that.

I agree that many things we do in our free time might not have the qualities I describe above. I do such things too. But I would suggest that hobbies can be serious endeavors, and that the very fact that we love to do them makes them powerful.

Re:Ask HN: What was your “why didn't I start doing this soon... by kamaal on Friday July 29, 2016 @05:19PM (#12190097)
>>My "hobby" is writing a science fiction novel.

>>There is a very profound satisfaction in being able to do that.

For you its writing, for other its music, collecting stamps, playing games or whatever.

Why do you assume writing > everything else?

Re:Ask HN: What was your “why didn't I start doing this soon... by allenu on Friday July 29, 2016 @06:35PM (#12190553)
I'm not the poster you're responding to, but the difference between something like writing vs. stamp collecting or gaming is the act of creation. You're making something that others can enjoy and that you can look at and appreciate. It can live on when you've passed. When you play a game, you do enjoy the experience, but at the end of it all, you've not created anything of value.
Re:Ask HN: What was your “why didn't I start doing this soon... by andrepd on Friday July 29, 2016 @06:46PM (#12190602)
You don't create anything by doing sports, but it is among the most popular and healthy hobbies. You don't create anything by playing chess. Is chess not a hobby?

And if you want to look at it that way, I can say you are leaving a collection of stamps, you are preserving little snippets of history and culture from around the world and through the years. In my case, I might be leaving sick replays of me beating SMW2 World 1 in record time, for other's to watch in awe as I do over other speedrunners' work.

Re:Ask HN: What was your “why didn't I start doing this soon... by kamaal on Friday July 29, 2016 @07:34PM (#12190833)
>>You're making something that others can enjoy and that you can look at and appreciate.

If you kind of look at it, everything can preserved and enjoyed by those coming after us. Stamp collection too in many ways is preservation of history. A game of chess with all its moves recorded, or an epic game of tetris.

Or take food for example. No body can taste what you cooked, but you can write down the recipe and ingredients to the very last gram and people can enjoy it forever.

Re:Ask HN: What was your “why didn't I start doing this soon... by NeutronBoy on Sunday July 31, 2016 @12:08AM (#12195695)
> You're making something that others can enjoy and that you can look at and appreciate. It can live on when you've passed. When you play a game, you do enjoy the experience, but at the end of it all, you've not created anything of value.

So you spend your time creating something for other people to consume, then note that the act of consuming it is useless?

Re:Ask HN: What was your “why didn't I start doing this soon... by ionised on Monday August 01, 2016 @08:18AM (#12201772)
You've enjoyed yourself. That is valuable to you and the people in your life.
Re:Ask HN: What was your “why didn't I start doing this soon... by k-mcgrady on Friday July 29, 2016 @03:02PM (#12189111)
>> "How dumb is it to fix cars?"

With that one you're learning skills which will benefit you IRL. Car breaks down? Don't have to pay a mechanic. Skills may applicable to other machines too. Plenty of hobbies have real benefits. Sports for example - health & fitness.

Re:Ask HN: What was your “why didn't I start doing this soon... by andrepd on Friday July 29, 2016 @03:09PM (#12189171)
Sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it (much like sex :)). We do hobbies in our spare time, for their own sake, and for our own gratification. Whether they accomplish anything is totally irrelevant, in my view.
Re:Ask HN: What was your “why didn't I start doing this soon... by erikpukinskis on Friday July 29, 2016 @05:02PM (#12189970)
If that's true, I don't have any hobbies. I just have like four careers, most of which I do pro-bono.
Re:Ask HN: What was your “why didn't I start doing this soon... by dimal on Friday July 29, 2016 @05:57PM (#12190347)
I think that hobbies are ones where you're actually stretching your mind, even if they are "pointless". Building model railways and fixing cars can be fun and mentally stimulating for certain people. There's the challenge of learning new things, the satisfaction of making something new. Playing sports takes skill and physical fitness. There's the challenge of competition. Stamp collecting, yeah, I don't understand that, but I'm sure there's something to it. Maybe it's understanding the history and culture around the period and place they were created, or appreciating the artwork. I've never played a video game that felt as good as actually doing something in the real world. My accomplishments were entirely fictional, fleeting and ultimately unsatisfying. Maybe for some people they are legitimately stimulating, but for most people, they're just mindless fun. If they fell like they've wasted their time after doing it, it sound like they got stuck in mindless compulsion more than anything.
Re:Ask HN: What was your “why didn't I start doing this soon... by projektir on Friday July 29, 2016 @07:58PM (#12190912)
> Stamp collecting, yeah, I don't understand that, but I'm sure there's something to it.

> I've never played a video game that felt as good as actually doing something in the real world.

I'm a bit confused as to why you're not applying the same reasoning to video games as you are to stamps - that you don't understand it, but there may be something to it. Note that video games are often one of the cheapest hobbies imaginable, so they have higher reach overall than a lot of hobbies that require considerable prep, access to various resources, other people, money, etc.

There are a lot of very different kinds of video games out there, the variety is staggering. You have competitive games, which are in the same department as sports; you have complex creation games like Minecraft and Dwarf Fortress; you have virtual worlds like World of Warcraft where you can get immersed in the lore or tackle a difficult objective with other people; you have adventure games where you are taken through an interesting tale (ever played Siberia?). I could go on.

I think most people feel that they're wasting time while playing video games because there's a huge social stigma against them still, and because they're hard to connect to other peoples' experiences and expectations.

Re:Ask HN: What was your “why didn't I start doing this soon... by dimal on Friday August 05, 2016 @06:40PM (#12236176)
Sorry for not replying earlier. I never notice when I've got replies on HN. I guess I forgot to mention a big part of it: the original commenter said he felt like he wasted his time playing WoW. If that's how you feel looking back on the game, then that's a problem. But you're right, if someone doesn't feel like they've wasted time on games, then that's great. Most people I've known have felt like it was a waste, but I can see how some people would think differently.
Re:Ask HN: What was your “why didn't I start doing this soon... by davelnewton on Friday July 29, 2016 @07:59PM (#12190916)
I don't think there's anything profoundly stupid about most hobbies. Some might development a broader, or more useful, set of skills, but that'd be about as far as I'd go.