Honestly, the fact that people put up with this in Js ecosystem amazes me to no end. I've been working with ClojureScript on the front-end for the past year, and it's just night and day.

There's a single build tool (http://leiningen.org/), and it manages dependencies, tests, builds, etc. Things just work.

Setting up a new project is as simple as:

lein new reagent-frontend myapp

I can go and start developing it by running

lein figwheel

After it starts I can open the browser at localhost:3449 and any changes I make in the source will be immediately reflected. Once I want to package for release I just do:

lein clean lein release

That's it, I now have minified and pruned Js file that's ready for production.

This is pretty much what we’re doing with Create React App.

    npm i -g create-react-app
    create-react-app my-app
    cd my-app
    npm start # start devserver
    npm run build # build for production

Sure, but how do you go about doing things like managing dependencies, doing hot code loading, running tests, and so on?

CLJS is just a language.

It's really much more than that. There's an ecosystem around ClojureScript that's completely separate from Js, and I find the CLJS ecosystem to be far better in many respects.

You don't need all of that from scratch. You can just build React components, and when it comes time to add a store or a router the only thing you need to change are the glue components that bind things together. I think it works out nicely -- the dev process is as composable as the app itself.

Yea I've noticed that. The react community likes to focus on examples involving a sign up form with 3 fields where you "really don't need all of that". Except that is not what most of us SPA devs are building. We need most of that.

Either you need all of that, and the time to set it up is absolutely insignificant compared to the lifetime of the project.

Or you don't need all of that.

It's very, very rarely a different situation.

Is that really an argument? that you don't need to write it at the beginning? you still have to do it...

My argument is that it's a net benefit. Composable architectures are not boilerplate. Remember that there was a time when almost all React apps where written with Flux -- this model is what allowed Redux gain traction.

create-react-app is their official attempt at a happy medium that basically does bare minimum basic configuration to start building React apps with the latest tools: https://facebook.github.io/react/blog/2016/07/22/create-apps...

HN Discussion link: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12144371

Maybe something like http://aurelia.io ?

Wow, really nice!

Here's how to have a great starting point in less than 10 seconds:

npm install -g create-react-app && create-react-app hello-world

A good way to start is to use polymer components :-)