Re:Turkish academics: Remain silent or risk all
by ArkyBeagle on Friday July 29, 2016 @11:51AM
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It's tempting to make parallels with 1930s Germany, but that was just such a unique situation. These are usually "all unhappy families are different" situations.
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Re:Turkish academics: Remain silent or risk all
by bogomipz on Friday July 29, 2016 @03:20PM
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I totally agree and I didn't mean in the literal sense but rather in the sense of its immediacy and fervor. It probably wasn't the best historical comparison.
Re:Turkish academics: Remain silent or risk all
by e12e on Friday July 29, 2016 @02:55PM
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I think the parallel is pretty close to the Reichstags fire - apparently it is (still) disputed if it were orchestrated by the nazis themselves or not - either way it opened the door to dictatorship. Much as there's been no credible evidence about the who or why of the coup -- it's clear it's being used as an excuse to tighten the iron grip.
Re:Turkish academics: Remain silent or risk all
by bogomipz on Friday July 29, 2016 @03:18PM
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If you believe that the coup was staged then yes.
Re:Turkish academics: Remain silent or risk all
by e12e on Friday July 29, 2016 @04:29PM
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Either way. Even if the Reichstags fire was indeed the work of a single man - and not orchestrated - the Nazi party used it for what it was worth. Similarly with this coup; if it wasn't staged, it still seems clear that Edrogan is using it for what it's worth in order to usher in/cement his dictator powers?
Re:Turkish academics: Remain silent or risk all
by ArkyBeagle on Saturday July 30, 2016 @05:19PM
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It's pretty clear that Erdogan has been moved closer to being - metaphorically - a "mob boss" than what we consider an "elected official" in the US ( assume a sort of spectrum between those). Your thinking changes when you deal with the possibility of assassination. Guys like Putin can't simply resign; they'll probably be hunted down and killed if they leave power. They're riding the tiger.
The general pattern in the Arab Spring has been to assassinate people like Q'daffi - who remind me more of the heads of crime families than political leaders. But here I sit in the US, where we can afford to have ... separation of concern for those roles. And to an extent, the meritocratic myth even in the US is just that - a myth. It's not like we don't have a presidential pretender running on the idea that it doesn't really work.
I can't imagine a modern politician actively embracing Sharia for any reason other than simply wanting to stay in power.