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Re:How China is rewriting the book on human origins by dionidium on Monday July 25, 2016 @06:44PM (#12162154)
Yours is an unfortunate if predictable reply that demonstrates how (generally) broken this discussion is. I don't think it's possible to dispassionately read into my comment what you have. You're plainly layering a bunch of your own stuff on top of my argument.
Re:How China is rewriting the book on human origins by serge2k on Monday July 25, 2016 @08:15PM (#12162496)
Everyone gets the same rights, but it's important we acknowledge that race X is smarter than race Y.

It's okay though because race Y is better at other things. They are better at physical labour for example.

It's just basic nature. Should cause no controversy at all.

Re:How China is rewriting the book on human origins by dionidium on Monday July 25, 2016 @08:52PM (#12162637)
It's important to develop a human rights philosophy that is resilient to uncomfortable discoveries about genetics.
Re:How China is rewriting the book on human origins by delazeur on Monday July 25, 2016 @09:07PM (#12162687)
Why does your "philosophy" have to presume that such hypothetical uncomfortable discoveries are actual fact? Why can't you accept that we don't understand genetics nearly that well and that human rights aren't based on genetics? Why do you believe that people who disagree with you are basing their philosophies on genetics? I don't believe a person with Downs Syndrome is entitled to fewer rights, for example.
Re:How China is rewriting the book on human origins by delazeur on Monday July 25, 2016 @08:53PM (#12162644)
Quiet you, we're supposed to be subtler than that!
Re:How China is rewriting the book on human origins by delazeur on Monday July 25, 2016 @07:22PM (#12162310)
> You're plainly layering a bunch of your own stuff on top of my argument.

There is baggage associated with your argument, and it didn't originate from me. You can't deny that. What you can do is acknowledge the baggage and disavow it. You have not done so, which leads me to suspect that you might be comfortable with the baggage.

As far as I can tell, all you have contributed to this conversation are the assertions that inherent racial differences "almost certainly" exist and that those who disagree have a world view that is inconsistent with universal basic rights, followed by affectedly exasperated claims that anyone who disagrees with you is simply too encumbered by hang-ups and complexes to understand your reality. Do you understand that even if your position is genuinely non-racist, you have completely failed to communicate that? Part of communication is recognizing the broader context in which our words will be interpreted and addressing that context. We do not have the privilege of communicating in a vacuum.

Put another way, and charitably assuming that you are not a white supremacist, what's different between what you have said and what a white supremacist would say if they were trying to be oblique about it?

Re:How China is rewriting the book on human origins by dionidium on Monday July 25, 2016 @07:42PM (#12162381)
I was responding to this original assertion:

> once we start thinking that one is better than the other, we get hierarchy, and we get superiority

...with a rebuttal that argues against drawing that conclusion on the basis that uncomfortable discoveries do not imply a hierarchy.

In other words -- and note how absurd this is -- you're saying that my position, which is that differences need not and should not imply a hierarchy, implies not only that I do think there is a hierarchy, but that it's a hierarchy with whites on top.

You drew the exact opposite conclusion from very plain words.

Bluntly: the game you're playing -- you're a white supremacist until you say otherwise! -- is gross. I've said absolutely nothing to imply that I am one. (Again, I actually said exactly the opposite.) Your attempt to hold me hostage is absurd.

And before you respond that I still haven't denied it: Knock it off. This is not how adults disagree.

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Re:How China is rewriting the book on human origins by dang on Monday July 25, 2016 @09:21PM (#12162763)
It's a serious violation of the rules here to bring in someone's personal details as ammunition in an argument, regardless of how wrong they are. Please don't do this again.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:How China is rewriting the book on human origins by delazeur on Monday July 25, 2016 @09:45PM (#12162861)
We have both clearly broken the civility rule and I apologize for my part in it, but if someone chooses to identify themselves I don't see how it's uncivil to address them by name. Indeed, I see it done fairly regularly here on HN.
Re:How China is rewriting the book on human origins by dang on Monday July 25, 2016 @10:04PM (#12162932)
It was clearly intended as an attack in this case, and that's not ok, regardless of how wrong the other person is.
Re:How China is rewriting the book on human origins by delazeur on Monday July 25, 2016 @10:09PM (#12162950)
It was not an attack. Being addressed by name is a natural consequence of telling people your name.
Re:How China is rewriting the book on human origins by dionidium on Monday July 25, 2016 @08:29PM (#12162558)
>Frankly I'm surprised you are willing to toe the line this closely with an account that is personally identifiable.

It's only surprising to you because you're ascribing to me views I don't hold.

Second, though my details are in my profile, your use of my name is clearly meant to be threatening and is therefore over the line. A comment like that is simply out of line.

Re:How China is rewriting the book on human origins by delazeur on Monday July 25, 2016 @08:52PM (#12162642)
> It's only surprising to you because you're ascribing to me views I don't hold.

Fine, you're just a terrible communicator then.

> Second, though my details are in my profile, your use of my name is clearly meant to be threatening and is therefore over the line.

Bullshit. For a guy who demands that everything he writes be taken 100% literally, you sure are quick to read extraneous meaning into what I wrote.

Re:How China is rewriting the book on human origins by dang on Monday July 25, 2016 @09:20PM (#12162757)
You've both broken the HN guidelines egregiously in this thread. That's unacceptable. Please stop, and please don't do it again.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html