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Re:Water Out of the Tailpipe: A New Class of Electric Car Ga... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday July 24, 2016 @07:00AM (#12152993)
> Battery electric vehicles are still limited to a maximum of about 200 miles of driving before a recharge is required, and charging up can take time — four hours or more in some cases. Batteries are also heavy, which presents challenges for powering larger vehicles like trucks or SUVs.

I had not considered the weight disadvantage of Li-on. Perhaps we'll have two technologies side by side: batteries for smaller, more centrally-located vehicles and hydrogen for larger and more remote ones.

The energy-intensity of enriching, packaging and distributing hydrogen looks less daunting in a duck-curve [1] characterised solar future. One could simply generate hydrogen when rates drop below a threshold.

[1] https://www.caiso.com/Documents/FlexibleResourcesHelpRenewab...

Re:Water Out of the Tailpipe: A New Class of Electric Car Ga... by sandstrom on Sunday July 24, 2016 @08:58AM (#12153186)
The weight difference between Toyota Mirai [fuel-cell] and Tesla Model S [electric] is 5-20% (the Mirai being lighter).

Not a big difference considering that weight isn't a big issue (wind drag and wheel/road friction are the main factors for range).

For example, someone calculated that simply removing the side-mirrors on a car would increase range by 5+ percent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Mirai https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_S

Re:Water Out of the Tailpipe: A New Class of Electric Car Ga... by _ph_ on Sunday July 24, 2016 @07:13AM (#12153019)
First of all, one needs to see how much weight a hydrogen based solution could save at all. With a fuel cell vehicle, you still need a battery to power the car (the fuel cell cannot handle the peak powers, it can only recharge the battery at a constat rate), you need a high pressure container for the hydrogen and of course the fuel cell itself. So this does not leave much weight advantage vs. a pure battery vehicle.

And just a couple of days ago Elon Musk announced that Tesla would introduce battery powered Trucks and Semis even. Seems he thinks that the weight is not a big problem.

Re:Water Out of the Tailpipe: A New Class of Electric Car Ga... by spditner on Sunday July 24, 2016 @08:00AM (#12153095)
Using Aluminum-air batteries as a secondary source in lithium ion cars for longer range would likely be a good alternative. Swap out at your convenience.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium–air_battery

Re:Water Out of the Tailpipe: A New Class of Electric Car Ga... by revelation on Sunday July 24, 2016 @08:23AM (#12153128)
Weight is practically immaterial, the majority of energy required to drive is in pushing air out of the way, drag.
Re:Water Out of the Tailpipe: A New Class of Electric Car Ga... by kweinber on Sunday July 24, 2016 @09:14AM (#12153211)
F =ma. The force you need depends on your acceleration requirements. Going uphill, taking turns, slowing down etc all make mass/weight very material.

Edit: I know weight and mass aren't the same but we are all considering the same gravitational pull so we can disregard the pedantic argument...

Re:Water Out of the Tailpipe: A New Class of Electric Car Ga... by brightball on Sunday July 24, 2016 @08:04AM (#12153098)
I've read that compressed natural gas is a good alternative for trucks.