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Re:Master Plan, Part Deux by dpcx on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @10:48PM (#12134268)
You know why Ford turns a profit? Because they've gotten those economies of scale. If/when Tesla does, I'm sure they'll make a profit, too.
Re:Master Plan, Part Deux by jsprogrammer on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @11:12PM (#12134372)
>You know why Ford turns a profit? Because they've gotten those economies of scale.

Ford was immediately profitable, was it not? Even before implementing an assembly line?

Re:Master Plan, Part Deux by swalsh on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @11:25PM (#12134424)
When ford came on the market, it only had to be better than a horse. A tesla has to be better than a masarati on the high end, a jaguar on the "medium" end, and a subaru on the "low" end.
Re:Master Plan, Part Deux by setpatchaddress on Thursday July 21, 2016 @01:20AM (#12134903)
That's not true. Other automakers existed before Ford; he had automotive competition.

In what world is a Jaguar a "medium" end car? The high end Jaguars extend into Maserati territory.

If Tesla wants to be better than a Maserati or Jaguar, they need to observe how much nicer the interiors of those cars are. Consumer Reports doesn't care about that above a certain level of basic competence, but a Maserati or Jaguar buyer does.

Re:Master Plan, Part Deux by creshal on Thursday July 21, 2016 @03:06AM (#12135250)
> If Tesla wants to be better than a Maserati or Jaguar, they need to observe how much nicer the interiors of those cars are.

Indeed. I was shocked when I first hitched a ride in a Model S – the interior is more spartan and cramped than that of a 90s Japanese keicar (an impressive feat, in a sense) apart from the entertainment system, which had an uglier, clunkier UI than what any web developer could have drawn you up in a week.

The sales rep's "oh don't worry about battery replacement cycles, nobody keeps a car for longer than five years anyway" statement was only the final nail in the coffin.

Re:Master Plan, Part Deux by dexterdog on Thursday July 21, 2016 @08:08AM (#12136258)
That's his sales market. Tesla wants fanboy buyers who will be upgrading within five years and that's not a bad thing. They are such a small player that they can do this. I used to lease SUVs on 2-year lease. They had massive incentives and very high residuals because the manufacturers realize they can sell you 5 cars every decade if you are loyal. I did it because the savings were awesome, but I eventually stopped because I got sick of shopping for a new car every two years.
Re:Master Plan, Part Deux by kartD on Thursday July 21, 2016 @10:46AM (#12137192)
Doesn't seem eco-friendly or world changing but more consumerist to me, can the batteries be recycled then?

Note: I'd still like to believe in Tesla's world improving ambitions

Re:Master Plan, Part Deux by HeyLaughingBoy on Thursday July 21, 2016 @04:01PM (#12139613)
I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying it cost less to lease 5 cars over a 10-year period than to buy one and hold it?
Re:Master Plan, Part Deux by dexterdog on Thursday July 21, 2016 @08:57PM (#12141079)
Not at all, but it was incredibly affordable considering that in 10 years I never had a car older than 2 years. There is zero maintenance other than a few oil changes. Like I said, the residuals were usually so high that the buy-out was not realistic. That kept the lease rate very low and made it unthinkable to keep it at the end.
Re:Master Plan, Part Deux by creshal on Friday July 22, 2016 @07:31AM (#12142928)
> Tesla wants fanboy buyers who will be upgrading within five years and that's not a bad thing. They are such a small player that they can do this.

I mean, sure, but you have to be awfully fanatical to put up with just how uncomfortable the cars are right now.

Re:Master Plan, Part Deux by Jeema101 on Thursday July 21, 2016 @09:37AM (#12136725)
They also had to be better than all the other competitors. There are hundreds of manufacturers from the early days that no longer exist:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_automobile_man...

Re:Master Plan, Part Deux by intrasight on Thursday July 21, 2016 @12:18AM (#12134620)
Love it. Presented the crux of their business challenge in a very succinct fashion.
Re:Master Plan, Part Deux by warfangle on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @11:22PM (#12134411)
They also weren't competing against several companies that already had an assembly line.