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Re:When a crow dies, the other crows investigate the cause o... by Unklejoe on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @07:57AM (#12128303)
[They stayed up there and screeched the whole time I was cleaning up (maybe ten minutes).]

I probably would have went inside and left the remains to nature. I commend your bravery. It seems like a squad of crows could do some real damage to a person.

Also, I can confirm that raccoons are very intelligent. They're basically like dogs but with more "street smarts". I learned this after trying to get one to leave my attic.

Also, a side note about Raccoons: be sure not to expose yourself to their droppings (for example, if one is living in your attic, don't go and clean up their droppings without proper protection). They can apparently contain some airborne parasite which can kill you in days if inhaled.

Re:When a crow dies, the other crows investigate the cause o... by dec0dedab0de on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @08:08AM (#12128343)
It seems like a squad of crows could do some real damage to a person.

A group of crows is called a murder, not that it matters, but it fits the theme of the story a bit.

Re:When a crow dies, the other crows investigate the cause o... by blastrat on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @07:19PM (#12133305)
The big list of collective nouns for animals is just a made up thing, sort of like a book of poetry.

There are a small number of ye olde Englishe words for some types of groups (like school of fish) and some of the fanciful names from the book have moved into common usage, but the dramatically expanded version is not known to have ever been actually used

some info here https://www.macquariedictionary.com.au/resources/view/resour...

this is one old source https://archive.org/details/cu31924031031184

Re:When a crow dies, the other crows investigate the cause o... by krashnburn200 on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @08:13AM (#12128364)
So can mouse poop, but it's extraordinarily rare so no one really worries about it, well no one sane. Err present company excluded ;)

http://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/hps/

It's rare enough that individual cases end up on TV.

Re:When a crow dies, the other crows investigate the cause o... by goda90 on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @08:27AM (#12128435)
I took a wilderness survival course in college that included multiple days in the wilderness for the final. In over 40 years there had only been two deaths. One was dehydration due to a stupid fad diet and the other was hantavirus. It looks like the flu until it's too late. So if you are around mice droppings and get flu like symptoms soon after, get to a doctor soon.
Re:When a crow dies, the other crows investigate the cause o... by jandrese on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @09:50AM (#12128960)
If you are out in the wilderness you are always around rodent droppings. Hantavirus is one of those things that backpacking magazines freak out about, but it's so incredibly rare that there's basically no point in wasting brain cells worrying about it. It's down in the "act of God" ways you might die (meteor strike, lightning, etc...).
Re:When a crow dies, the other crows investigate the cause o... by goda90 on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @04:41PM (#12132336)
Yeah, we were told not to worry too much, just to be wary since someone had died 30 years prior. What I've read is that if you're in an enclosed space with a lot of rodent droppings(say an abandoned cottage or something) then there is some risk, but open air is safe.
Re:When a crow dies, the other crows investigate the cause o... by chrisseaton on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @10:29AM (#12129254)
> I took a wilderness survival course in college

That's interesting - do you mean as a part of a social club, or actual scholarly study of survival techniques? Or maybe to support a major in something like archeology? Or maybe a military college?

Re:When a crow dies, the other crows investigate the cause o... by safeignorance on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @11:35AM (#12129831)
It's not terribly uncommon for colleges to require some form of physical education like in high school. The motivations are varied -- from legal mandate (for state schools) all the way to subsidizing the athletic staff with tuition dollars for BS courses.

And even where there aren't strict requirements, students sometimes end up with a few extra "free" course credits (e.g. to stay full time for a final semester). Uni staff/faculty are often willing to teach a course like this because it's fun and they get a couple grand for teaching young people about their hobby for an hour every week.

FWIW I took a rock climbing course like this (last semester, had a few extra credits my scholarship paid for in any case, and didn't have time for a real course due to travel). There was just enough "scholarly study" to make the course barely legit (read 2 books and discussed safety techniques in a science-y way), but 99.9% of the time was spent climbing.

Re:When a crow dies, the other crows investigate the cause o... by goda90 on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @04:30PM (#12132254)
It was an actual elective class as part of the "Recreation Management" major at my university, but I took it for fun. We talked about and practiced techniques for building fire, shelter, and tools, as well as foraging for food and being wary of physical and mental problems that arise in survival situations. Supposedly back in the day(70s and 80s) it was actually a month long trek out in the wilderness and some students even took it to make up for some sort of probation for misconduct. For our final exam we just had three nights, two of them alone, out in the Utah desert. Our teacher was a Native American, former Army Ranger who had been doing bushcraft since a very young age.
Re:When a crow dies, the other crows investigate the cause o... by chrisseaton on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @05:39PM (#12132734)
I don't think any universities in the UK do these kind of diverse elective courses. Sometimes you can do one or two courses from outside your major, but they're courses from another major rather than something entirely standalone. Is this what is meant by a 'liberal arts' education?

The UK aggressively specialises. I started to specialise towards CS at around 16, and started to drop arts and other subjects then, two years before university, and at university I never took anything outside the CS course (apart from one Latin course, but that was unusual because I could already program).

Re:When a crow dies, the other crows investigate the cause o... by pvaldes on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @09:49AM (#12128952)
Hantaviruses and arenaviruses are typical of rodents if I'm not wrong. Rodents are everywhere, so having raccoons shouldn't really make a difference.
Re:When a crow dies, the other crows investigate the cause o... by pvaldes on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @09:45AM (#12128926)
Yup, raccoons faeces can spread several problems: Bayliscaris and other roundworms, Leptospira and some viruses. Airborne spreading rabies from faeces is very rare, but some cases were reported with bats in caves, so should be also a veeeery small probability with raccoons.

Droppings from crows and other birds can spread Parrot fever on the other hand.

Sun rays eliminate several of those problems, like Leptospira. Droppings in the garden should be more "clean" than in your attic.

Re:When a crow dies, the other crows investigate the cause o... by chrisbennet on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @09:15PM (#12133851)
"Baylisascaris infection is caused by a roundworm found in raccoons. This roundworm can infect people as well as a variety of other animals, including dogs. Human infections are rare, but can be severe if the parasites invade the eye (ocular larva migrans), organs (visceral larva migrans) or the brain (neural larva migrans)."

The "mouse virus" is a different thing.

Re:When a crow dies, the other crows investigate the cause o... by aaron695 on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @10:50AM (#12129426)
- It seems like a squad of crows could do some real damage to a person

Sorry but you've lost the plot on this one. Seen way to many movies.

Single birds might become territorial when they have young and you might lose a eye. But thats it.

I'd watch less TV/'current affairs'/crows are smart stories if I was you.

Alcohol, tobacco and mental issues.... now those are scarry killers.

Re:When a crow dies, the other crows investigate the cause o... by matwood on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @10:58AM (#12129482)
I would consider losing an eye real damage to my person.
Re:When a crow dies, the other crows investigate the cause o... by euyyn on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @03:14PM (#12131652)
Apparently you need to watch less movies about blindness being bad...
Re:When a crow dies, the other crows investigate the cause o... by sqeaky on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @01:08PM (#12130664)
Losing an eye.... How.

Birds weight so little compared to a human that our eyelids mass is significant on that scale.

The reason birds don't attack people is because a human randomly flailing can outright kill crows by the dozen and evolution selects against suicide.

Re:When a crow dies, the other crows investigate the cause o... by Someone on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @02:38PM (#12131385)
I'm not arguing crows will attack people, but 'evolution selects against suicide' does not guarantee they don't.

Bees attack people, and they are quite a bit smaller.

Humans in wartime volunteer for suicide missions, too, if they deem the payout for their comrades high enough.

Re:When a crow dies, the other crows investigate the cause o... by tripzilch on Thursday July 21, 2016 @08:37AM (#12136399)
> Humans in wartime volunteer for suicide missions, too, if they deem the payout for their comrades high enough.

Really. Got any reliable sources on that, using a reasonable definition of "voluntary", based on sources other than veteran war stories[0] and film plots? :-)

(a reasonable interpretation of "not voluntary" includes all people who were forced to join the army because it was the only viable career-option for their socio-economic class)

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it seems highly likely that the perceived frequency of these occurrences must be extremely inflated because it's been in the interest of war propaganda anywhere since forever, to pretend that knowingly volunteering for a suicide mission is not only perfectly sensible, not only extremely noble, but that this is in fact what you already signed up for, so why are you still standing here?

Then there's the question whether this is even relevant in the context of evolution. Soldiers have to be trained and drilled intensively for the explicit purpose of artificially altering their learned instincts which seems to me quite solid evidence of the contrary; that this behaviour is exactly not part of human nature, and that humans by default will not act like this unless you train them to.

You can probably train crows to suicide-attack humans as well.

[0] I realise leaving out this group leaves the data a bit thin on the ground, but given the extreme biases involved, it's useless data. So many stories people would rather not talk about, to name just one bias. Or stories altered after the fact (like they actually drew lots but tell it as voluntary because they are thankful and know it could've been them just as easily).