Re:My Venezuela Nightmare: A 30-Day Hunt for Food in a Starv...
by throwanem on Monday July 18, 2016 @06:40PM
(#12118436)
The Soviets claimed a lot of things. Of course, so did, and still do, the United States. But it's not for nothing, I think, that you find no shortage of contemporary Soviet and Ukrainian, and modern Russian, attestations of the Holodomor - whereas on the other side of things, not even the furthest right-wing anti-FDR John Birchers ever made even the slightest attempt to claim that any such thing happened in the United States. No one denies the Dust Bowl was bad. No one in the US, as far as I've ever been able to determine, has ever even tried to claim the Dust Bowl was that bad.
Re:My Venezuela Nightmare: A 30-Day Hunt for Food in a Starv...
by rat87 on Tuesday July 19, 2016 @06:37AM
(#12120929)
Except there is a consensus that millions of people of people died in the USSR during that famine, Ukranians were hit hardest.
I haven't seen much talk of large scale deaths(>10,000)due to the dust bowl. In fact I can't really find much on dust bowl deaths (other then an uptick in the suicide rate) except in places that seem to be excusing the Holodomor.
Of course this is a point too subtle to work on Hacker News.
The data on both sides is wobbly to the point of being undependable. Until modern social security systems kicked in the number of people living in the US was largely a hypothetical quantity, especially in far-flung rural areas, the very sort of which were impacted by the Dust Bowl.
The 1930 census https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1930_United_States_Census seems to be fairly comprehensive, but you have to wonder how far into the wilderness these people were willing to go to tabulate who was living in the extreme edges of the American frontier.