Re:Saudi Ties to 9/11 Detailed in Documents Suppressed Since...
by eumoria on Monday July 18, 2016 @09:24AM
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US troops do absolutely nothing on Korea and Europe other than as stand-by and a geopolitical deterrent. The troops in Iraq were acting as the fighting force for the official regime. These are very VERY different things. US toops were occupying Iraq, they are not occupying South Korea.
Re:Saudi Ties to 9/11 Detailed in Documents Suppressed Since...
by Turing_Machine on Monday July 18, 2016 @09:31AM
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That's more or less my point, isn't it? It would have been possible to (attempt to) hand over responsibility to the Iraqi military while still keeping troops there in case things went south (as they did).
Re:Saudi Ties to 9/11 Detailed in Documents Suppressed Since...
by Noseshine on Tuesday July 19, 2016 @01:35PM
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This NYT article has some very interesting background:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/22/world/middleeast/united-st...
After reading the article and learning some of the intricacies I really don't feel ready to blame anyone in particular. It seems to be a "system outcome" of the interactions and the (local) conditions.
Let's not forget a lot of Irakis wanted the US to leave, fully and completely:
> Possibilities being discussed are for some troops to return in 2012, an option preferred by some Iraqi politicians who want to claim credit for ending what many here still call an occupation,...
That "some" is about the politicians, the mood in the streets wasn't just "some" people who wanted all foreign soldiers to leave, if I remember anything from the news we heard at that time.
Re:Saudi Ties to 9/11 Detailed in Documents Suppressed Since...
by hx87 on Monday July 18, 2016 @11:40AM
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Given the state of the Iraqi military, things would have gone south immediately, and the troops would never leave.
Re:Saudi Ties to 9/11 Detailed in Documents Suppressed Since...
by Turing_Machine on Monday July 18, 2016 @01:22PM
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Would they, though? I think it is a plausible argument that things would have been less likely to go south if the opposing force knew the U.S. forces were there to step in if necessary. While things might still have ended badly, I think there's no question that pulling the U.S. troops out so soon made the collapse a certainty.
There's a lot of room between keeping support troops on hand and a full-scale military occupation.