U.S. Proposes Allowing Foreign Officials to Serve Warrants on Internet Firms

Re:U.S. Proposes Allowing Foreign Officials to Serve Warrant... by berkut on Saturday July 16, 2016 @08:16PM (#12108399)

This.

Obviously having massive troop presence prevented war with the soviets, but it can't be overestimated what stuff like the European Coal and Steel Community, the EEC and other following integration steps did after WWII in terms of getting France and Germany to "need" each other, instead of wanting "revenge" and repayment.

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Re:U.S. Proposes Allowing Foreign Officials to Serve Warrant... by Semiapies on Saturday July 16, 2016 @09:08PM (#12108546)

Revenge is an excuse to get citizens whipped up for the wars the governments already want. The problem with Europe is the concentration of powerful and aggressive nations jockeying for advantage. The world wars were just the latest examples of cyclic major wars in Europe, exacerbated by the empires many of those countries still had.

The EEC and the EU haven't kept Europe from having another two or three major wars since the fall of Nazi Germany. (Whether they could have started more world wars after the end of their empires is less clear). Outside powers imposing alliances that prevented the usual suspects from going to war with each other kept this from happening. Today, NATO keeps this from happening.

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Re:U.S. Proposes Allowing Foreign Officials to Serve Warrant... by berkut on Saturday July 16, 2016 @11:03PM (#12108856)

I suggest you read up on stuff like the European Coal and Steel Community and the Schuman Declaration.

Some of their implicit goals were harmonising French and German interests so they wouldn't want to go to war again.

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Re:U.S. Proposes Allowing Foreign Officials to Serve Warrant... by Semiapies on Sunday July 17, 2016 @10:02PM (#12112869)

I suggest you read up on stuff like the League of Nations.

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Re:U.S. Proposes Allowing Foreign Officials to Serve Warrant... by nl on Sunday July 17, 2016 @06:45AM (#12109695)

What are the two or three wars you speak of? There have of course been wars in Europe outside the EU (the former Yugoslavia and various wars in the former Soviet states), but within the EU or even involving a EU member?

The closest I know of is the Cyprus conflict in 1974, but Greece wasn't an EU member then.

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Re:U.S. Proposes Allowing Foreign Officials to Serve Warrant... by Semiapies on Sunday July 17, 2016 @07:56AM (#12109871)

You might reread the post you're responding to, more closely.

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Re:U.S. Proposes Allowing Foreign Officials to Serve Warrant... by nl on Sunday July 17, 2016 @08:03AM (#12109901)

The EEC and the EU haven't kept Europe from having another two or three major wars since the fall of Nazi Germany.

What are the two of three major wars which they have had? (Quite puzzled, as I have studied this a little).

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Re:U.S. Proposes Allowing Foreign Officials to Serve Warrant... by cgriswald on Sunday July 17, 2016 @12:22PM (#12110643)

>> Outside powers imposing alliances that prevented the usual suspects from going to war with each other kept this from happening.

He isn't saying those wars happened. He is saying the preventive cause is other then the EEC and the EU.

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Re:U.S. Proposes Allowing Foreign Officials to Serve Warrant... by Semiapies on Sunday July 17, 2016 @09:58PM (#12112859)

Correct. He's asking me to defend a claim completely opposite from what I actually said.

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