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Re:Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work by parineum on Friday July 15, 2016 @12:52PM (#12102288)
But possession of child pornography is what's illegal. They very well may have reported the owner of the blog to the authorities but, in the mean time, google was both possessing and distributing the material.

It's not that it's violating their TOS, it's that Google thought they may have been violating the law.

EDIT: At least if that's what the content was.

Re:Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work by true_religion on Friday July 15, 2016 @02:00PM (#12102739)
From the OP who said:

> "I've read a few of Cooper's books and the short answer is yes, pedophilia is a common theme in his writing (as is incest and necrophilia)."

Because of the words 'book' and 'writing', I have the impression that everything there is written text and no certainly no pictures.

This puts it in a nebulous position, at least in the USA.

Dunlop v. U.S., 165 U.S. 486 (1897), ended up ruling that text-only content can be deemed obscene and being text-only is not a reason to get total 1st amendment protection. However later cases, decided there was a division between erotica and obscene material, which is essentially decided on a case-by-case basis subjectively.

When it comes to things such as obscenity, its not really enough to go by our 'feelings' and intuition on the matter.

For instance, would you believe the US is a fully functioning, 1st world democracy, where sex toys are illegal (Alabama, upheld by State Supreme court and enforced as recently as 2009)?

To me, personally, anything that comes entirely from someones fanciful imagination, no matter how distasteful, should not be considered illegal unless it directly results in the harm of another individual.

Re:Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work by djsumdog on Friday July 15, 2016 @02:41PM (#12102986)
So in the US (and Japan and only a handful of other countries), fictional depictions of under age or incestual content isn't illegal (per the court case you referenced above), so long as you're not using real people to act it out.

This doesn't hold true for ... most of the rest of the planet. In the UK a man was put in jail for Simpsons porn, something that's legal in the US (although potentially a trademark violation; unless you can argue it's satire).

In Cooper's home country of France, fictional depictions are actually illegal (books like Lolita are banned).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_regarding_child_pornograp...

But as already stated, even if legality wasn't the issue, yes they are still a private company and can do what they want. The article mentions this and there really needs to be an effort to educate people that they need multiple backups, not just on-line, but on their own media.

Re:Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work by true_religion on Friday July 15, 2016 @11:51PM (#12105161)
> So in the US (and Japan and only a handful of other countries), fictional depictions of under age or incestual content isn't illegal (per the court case you referenced above), so long as you're not using real people to act it out.

Actually, visual incest pornography exists in the US. I am not sure why (I am within the industry, but I don't actually keep tabs on legalities that I'm not involved in), but it seems that 2 years ago VISA decided it was okay for it to take credit card payments for incest-fantasy sites, and since then there's been an explosion of mainstream studios supporting said material.

Cynically speaking, it seems to me that the adult industry is more scared of how their merchant banks will react to their content, than any chance of being taken down by the US government.

Re:Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work by programLyrique on Saturday July 16, 2016 @05:21AM (#12105760)
No, Lolita by Nabokov is not banned in France. I saw this book myself in a French library a few years ago. And according to French wikipedia (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita#Les_traductions_fran.C3...), a new French translation was published in 2001.
Re:Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work by mistersquid on Saturday July 16, 2016 @08:33AM (#12106137)
It's been a while since I've read _Lolita_. If my memory serves me correctly, the novel contains no depictions of sex or sexual intimacy.

Amazing work of literature, by the way.

Re:Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work by exolymph on Monday July 25, 2016 @01:49AM (#12156736)
That's incorrect. For example, the scene where HH climaxes with Dolly on his lap.

(I don't think Lolita should be banned anywhere. It's not a pro-pedophilia artwork.)

Re:Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work by Jarwain on Friday July 15, 2016 @02:49PM (#12103039)
According to the article linked, Cooper is mainly a visual artist.

> Cooper used the blog to post his fiction, research, and visual art, and as Artforum explains, it was also “a platform through which he engaged almost daily with a community of followers and fellow artists.” His latest GIF novel (as the term suggests, a novel constructed with animated GIFs) was also mostly saved to the blog.

Re:Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work by rsync on Friday July 15, 2016 @03:09PM (#12103168)
Meanwhile, on google.com, I can read excerpts of Lolita, by Nabokov:

https://books.google.com/books/about/Lolita.html?id=TOQxAgAA...

Re:Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work by madmax96 on Friday July 15, 2016 @03:48PM (#12103378)
To be fair, it would be very unreasonable for anyone to make the claim that Lolita is erotica.

The Supreme Court define obscenity as being a work that was reasonably lude by the standards of the day, and lacked "serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value." Lolita doesn't really fit this description due to its literary and artistic value.

I haven't read the blog in question, but obviously issues like this are trickier to decide with contemporary artists that are unestablished. Google certainly doesn't want to be labeled as being a distributor of child pornography, and you can't really compare some guy's blog to a book like Lolita.

Re:Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work by true_religion on Friday July 15, 2016 @11:41PM (#12105142)
Actually erotica is not automatically obscene. Lolita need not be non-erotic, to be non-obscene.
Re:Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work by 794CD01 on Friday July 15, 2016 @03:08PM (#12103150)
"Directly resulting in their harm" is an unenforceable standard, unless you are referring to hitting someone with a printed copy, which I suspect you are not.
Re:Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work by true_religion on Friday July 15, 2016 @11:40PM (#12105139)
An example of direct harm, would be an totally imaginary article that aims to humiliate or defame someone. It's not true; it's not real, but its directly aimed at destroying a persons reputation anyways.

This is something that current day harassment laws (and in some countries slander laws) already cover.

Re:Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work by 794CD01 on Monday July 18, 2016 @04:05PM (#12117744)
It works poorly. A true article that destroys someone's reputation is equally harmful, but (in the US), completely protected.
Re:Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work by 67726e on Friday July 15, 2016 @12:56PM (#12102323)
Then suspend the blog, and allow for some process to deal with the situation. Don't just torch everything on some suspicion of something going wrong. This isn't a new issue for Google. They're notorious for fucking with people's accounts and providing no recourse or customer support. Something happens? Better hope your uncle works at Google or your shit out of luck.

Hell, I've hosted most of my personal domains' email accounts via Google. A few months ago one of them was deleted. I never really used the email, but I certainly had things on their I would like to have for posterity. When Google deleted the account I was given no recourse or ability to appeal. It was just gone. It's not as if the account was even anything controversial, it was just my contact-me email for an old NES modding site I had.

Re:Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work by parent5446 on Friday July 15, 2016 @01:08PM (#12102403)
I mean, who's to say that isn't the case. The blog might still exist on Google's side, and it's just been quarantined or otherwise looks like it's been deleted from the outside.
Re:Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work by 67726e on Friday July 15, 2016 @02:09PM (#12102796)
The point is not the "soft delete" vs "hard delete" but their total lack of transparency or customer support. It doesn't matter to the end user the difference if all outward appearance is that the blog was deleted.
Re:Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work by Sleaker on Friday July 15, 2016 @03:43PM (#12103339)
If there's any legal thing going on they wont be able to make any statements on it anyway...
Re:Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work by 67726e on Friday July 15, 2016 @06:17PM (#12104185)
They don't say a damned thing anytime your account gets nuked. Hell, when I tried buying a Nexus 4 it mysteriously never shipped and I only could get in touch with a robot support person. I said fuck it, cancelled the order, and went to a T-Mobile store. Never bothered to deal with them again.
Re:Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work by Karunamon on Friday July 15, 2016 @03:53PM (#12103401)
"Due to ongoing litigation we are unable to comment" would still be valuable in that case. Radio silence on the other hand, is not acceptable.
Re:Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work by tener on Friday July 15, 2016 @05:08PM (#12103855)
In some jurisdictions it is illegal to let your client know they are being secretely investigated. Such statement may interfere with the investigation - they may destroy the evidence etc.
Re:Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work by Karunamon on Friday July 15, 2016 @06:18PM (#12104191)
If that's actually what's happening. Google's policy seems to be radio silence in all cases.
Re:Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work by lotharbot on Saturday July 16, 2016 @01:37AM (#12105368)
> "Google's policy seems to be radio silence in all cases"

This may be an intentional decision to cooperate with law enforcement. If they only go silent in the case of ongoing investigations, then "Google went silent" functions in the same way as "the warrant canary disappeared" does for other sites, which could in theory jeopardize an investigation.

Re:Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work by tedunangst on Friday July 15, 2016 @07:10PM (#12104372)
"Torch everything" is perhaps a poor way to convey you mean "soft delete".
Re:Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work by awesomepantsm on Friday July 15, 2016 @01:07PM (#12102394)
>Don't just torch everything on some suspicion of something going wrong.

You can rest assured, if it was child porn, they'd be obligued to keep backups as proof for law enforcement. I doubt the material is actually deleted, just hidden until they sort it out with the feds.

Re:Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work by Grishnakh on Friday July 15, 2016 @03:55PM (#12103419)
>Hell, I've hosted most of my personal domains' email accounts via Google. A few months ago one of them was deleted. I never really used the email, but I certainly had things on their I would like to have for posterity.

That's what you get for not making backups. This isn't rocket science. You're using someone else's free service, and they have zero obligation to continue to provide that service to you. Even if they didn't intentionally delete your account, mistakes do happen sometimes. Who actually thinks it's a good idea to keep only one copy of data that you value? Especially on a site with the name "Hacker News"? Do hackers these days not understand backups?

Re:Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work by 67726e on Saturday July 16, 2016 @12:13AM (#12105207)
Maybe I'm just a lazy fuck? I know backups, I get it, but you know what? I'm human.
Re:Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work by bigB on Saturday July 16, 2016 @05:18AM (#12105756)
A very very lazy human if you cant backup for 14 years....i hate mowing my lawn or doing my shopping but i have to do it. Going to work each day is a chore but somehow it happens...being lazy and human is the poorest excuse ive heard for not backing up over such a long period of time, and I deal with data loss whiners every day. If you dont want to lose it, make a copy, end of story.
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Re:Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work by sctb on Sunday July 17, 2016 @03:41PM (#12111448)
Personal attacks are not OK on Hacker News.
Re:Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work by AWildDHHAppears on Friday July 15, 2016 @05:49PM (#12104053)
It is astounding to contemplate that it's possible to type a series of English words which would be illegal to _possess_! Even if I was the only one to know about these words and, for example, kept them in a safe.