Another thing I might add is that extrajudicial killings happened before Duerte especially in the southern Mindanao region, perpetrated by the army, as well as rebel groups. Nobody (in the western media) has ever given a rats ass about this anyway, and its been going on for over 30 years now. It is another form of conflict, I admit, if you just read what happened there just in the last 2 years, you'd be shocked.[0][1]
[0]: http://www.hiik.de/en/konfliktbarometer/pdf/ConflictBaromete...
[1]: http://www.hiik.de/en/konfliktbarometer/pdf/ConflictBaromete...
I don't use drugs, don't drink (pretty boring person here).
> And this also brings up another question, what counts as a drug?
Well, it's simple: that's the stuff the person you just killed was selling to your nephew three weeks ago.
In a country where the police is as corrupt as yours the last thing you want is to by-pass due process.
That pretty much guarantees that lots of opponents of the newly elected regime will suddenly find themselves on the receiving end in 'buy-bust' operations.
> And yes, there is judicial process
I find that hard to square with
> Those related to drugs were killed during a buy-bust operation.
You don't see a problem with that?
How do you know he even was a drug lord (other than that conspicuous sign)?
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/philippine-pre...
Edit: I don't understand why someone would down vote this question. Taken at face value, the mandate to kill "drug users" could mean it's OK to shoot up a coffee shop or kill your neighbor for being an alcoholic, depending on where your particular culture draws the line. For example, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/25/iranian-pair-d...
No offense but this is "working towards the Fuhrer" in action
> President Duterte had a list of people involved
I wonder how many of those are political allies. My guess would be something very close to zero.
It wouldn't be the same if, for instance, they posed a direct physical threat to me or my close ones.
Many successful, influential people had drug and alcohol problems. Leaders, philosophers, writers, surgeons, entertainers, mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters have been addicts that were never a direct, physical threat to anyone but themselves.
That doesn't distract from the fact that this problem can be solved without resorting to vigilante justice and out right murder. Death shouldn't be the punishment for having a problem.
Here's an idea... those Filipinos over there have such a violent country! They just can't get there act together! I guess Filipinos are prone to violence, and they DO pose a direct, physical threat to everyone in the world! So, go ahead and kill a Filipino if you see one -- you'll just be putting them out of their misery -- and of course we're so benevolent, we offer free rehabilitation (AKA prison) for any Filipino that turns themselves in.
There are many issues which you can find common ground for a base case of moral absolutism when you are not being absurd.
Moral relativism allows you to accept the actual evil of other's actions as a product of their culture.
That is the kind of thinking that allows people to say genital mutilation is a cultural thing.
For me that's quite a line to cross.
Start fighting using non-violent means and maybe only resort to violence when confronted with violence from the other party.
Rody Duterte
History has shown us that when a leader kills huge segments of the population wether its hitler with the Jews or Duterte with the criminals and drug users, it's always a recipe for turmoil. Duterte's methods may work in the short term if u don't care about innocent people dying, But it'll get worse in the long term. U cannot fight darkness with darkness. This man is killing both drug dealer and drug user. This tyrant got on national tv and told the people to kill drug users essentially giving the people a license to kill. Addiction is a disease and it should be treated as such, not given the death penalty. Killing drug users is a crime against humanity, it's as heinous as killing sick people. Since duterte ok'd nationwide murder, dead bodies have been turning up with notes on their bodies saying "drug dealer " or "user"with a bag of drugs next to them. And since the cops assume the person was a dealer or user they don't even investigate. What's to stop people from killing those they hate and making the person look like a dealer or user with a bag of drugs next to them? The short answer, absolutely nothing!! Its pretty much the real life purge pinoy edition, except instead of having only one day a year to kill, it's everyday for the next 6 years(duterte term)that's fking terrifying. Violence only breeds more violence, Duterte is cultivating a generation of murderers that won't stop killing even after every drug dealer and user is killed. And like a psychologist friend of mine says, once some people get the taste of killing, they won't stop. If you think Duterte is for the people think again. He has figured out a way to get the poor to kill the poor. Does that sound like a person of the people to you? To my fellow Filipinos.......WAKE UP!!!! Duterte is EVIL!!! The people being killed have loved ones too. Do you think the thousands of loved ones of the murdered aren't going to want revenge? Revenge is a very powerful emotion, more so then love because its reinforced by love. History has shown us that when tyrants kill without abandon, resistance groups will form and fight back. Everyone always thinks they're the good guys and the killings always get worse and in the end EVERYONE loses. It's happened in the Philippines before and it's about to happen again but this time around its going to be much worse. To get rid of crime you have to alleviate the root cause, and in the Philippines and most places in the world, it's poverty. Alleviate poverty and most crime will go with it. U can't just kill everyone like the newly elected Mad King of the Philippines.. This guy is pure evil in the flesh and he's committing crimes against humanity on a scale I've never seen in the PI, and I hope the world intervenes before his death toll goes into Stalin and Hitler territory. God help the Philippines they are being lead down a dark path by this madman.
Which is not to say that actually fighting against the cartels would actually produce good results.
When an international media writes something without much knowledge on what's really going on it blows out of proportion. Now let me give you an idea of our situation here before the Duterte presidency.
HISTORY
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The Marcoses and Aquinos and their cronies, have brought the Philippines to its knees for decades (50 years). These families are what we called the "elites" and they are actually the ones who are pulling the strings behind the scenes. They own the local media and the news that you can watch/read were all filtered. Guess what happens when an international media make our local news as the source of their publication?
DRUGS
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We are almost in a narco-state before the Duterte presidency. Just a few days ago 5 police generals were mentioned that they are the protectors of the DRUG TRIAD here in the Philippines. It was also mentioned that 23 mayors are also linked to the triad and this is just in the 2nd week of Duterte's presidency. It is also rumored that people linked to drugs goes way up the ranks -- senators, justice, congressmen, etc. President Duterte had a list of people involved and the same list were given to the former President Aquino but he did nothing.
Today, a few thousands drug addicts/pushers surrendered. Drug addicts who turn themselves in are given rehabilitation and jail time for pushers. Hundred were taken out by the police because they fought back. One even thrown a grenade!
President Durterte emphasized a lot of times that everybody should follow the law. Police should operate within the bounds of the law but I guess this wasn't mentioned every time a foreigner write about him.
KILLING IS WRONG! But, we live in a different and a more challenging world than the rest of you. What is white for you may be gray for us.
WATCH THIS:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUVA6GDinvM&feature=youtu.be