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Re:UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Br... by wrong_variable on Tuesday July 12, 2016 @10:23AM (#12079209)
If I am not mistaken - individual countries are not willing to negotiate trade treaties before the UK invokes article 50.

Even if by some miracle Theresa May decides to withhold invoking article 50 before creating new treaties using back channels with the 50 other trading partners of the UK, it wont be possible to enact them until the UK leaves the EU and negotiates a new trade deal with the EU.

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Re:UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Br... by hardlianotion on Tuesday July 12, 2016 @04:28PM (#12082070)
Not precisely. The idea is that no discussions about anything will occur before Article 50 is invoked. Article 50 kicks off negotiations for the practicalities of leaving the EU. After that, and only after that, negotiations for UK's following status are supposed to take place.

Neither of these conditions are in the interest of the EU or the UK if talks are to be amicable and realistic. Amicable and realistic talks are very much in the interests of all concerned - and I guess from the EU point of view, the leadership resolution in the UK could have been a lot worse. The rules are meant to discourage les autres, but there is little appetite at the moment for other countries to flirt with leaving. Also rhetoric is beginning to calm down as well - no more calls for immediate Article 50 invocation and UKIP have faded into the background a little.

So far so not as bad as it could be.

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Re:UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Br... by mpweiher on Tuesday July 12, 2016 @05:35PM (#12082441)
"Neither of these conditions are in the interest of the EU or the UK if talks are to be amicable and realistic."

Well, that's your opinion. EU officials and heads of government appear to disagree with your view of what's best for them, having consistently and unerringly insisted that there will be NO negotiations whatsoever until Article 50 is invoked.

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Re:UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Br... by hardlianotion on Tuesday July 12, 2016 @07:37PM (#12082987)
Except that this is not the case. In the last week, already, we have had senior government officials from several member countries recognising that this is not a realistic stance. And the foreign secretary explicitly mentions that UK is having precisely these conversations.

The new administration is setting up a brexit department and accumulating expertise necessary to start negotiations. Talk is of article 50 invocation by year end (I think).

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Re:UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Br... by mpweiher on Wednesday July 13, 2016 @02:49AM (#12084326)
In the last week, already, we have had senior government officials from several member countries recognising that this is not a realistic stance.

Citation needed.

I have never seen this, and a quick check reveals the opposite:

"Ms Merkel added: “We have spoken to Britain and made clear there will be no negotiations with Britain until they have made their application, and there will be no cherry picking.”"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-refe...

This is from yesterday.

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Re:UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Br... by hardlianotion on Wednesday July 13, 2016 @03:55AM (#12084585)
The idea that nobody will discuss anything is simply unsustainable, given the timescales and uncertainty involved.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/09/philip-hammo...

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/02612186-467b-11e6-8d68-72e9211e86...

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Re:UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Br... by mpweiher on Wednesday July 13, 2016 @02:25PM (#12088484)
You do understand the difference between "negotiation" and "having an informal chat with colleagues"?
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Re:UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Br... by hardlianotion on Wednesday July 13, 2016 @03:34PM (#12088997)
It does seem we are talking at cross purposes.
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Re:UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Br... by dogma1138 on Tuesday July 12, 2016 @10:29AM (#12079284)
The EU will not really negotiate using back channels, the only miracle the UK can hope for is that it would be deemed that a full vote in both houses is needed to invoke Article 50 and hopefully it would fail.
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