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Re:The American Dream Is Alive in Finland by jacquesm on Monday July 11, 2016 @04:23PM (#12074168)
My friends are from all over Europe, and America, India and China.

> Obviously, that's not a pragmatic statement, as poor kids from the ghetto often have no appreciation of this and simply don't work towards great outcomes - but this is the reality.

Ah, it's their fault.

> impossible for poor Spaniards/Greeks/Sicilians to rise to higher than the European upper middle class.

I'm sure you'd argue they don't work towards 'great outcomes'.

But you know what. I really don't see anything super good (or super bad) about living in the US versus Europe. Governments are roughly equally ineffective at solving real problems, people are on average nice. All in all, it's a toss-up.

Re:The American Dream Is Alive in Finland by IanDrake on Monday July 11, 2016 @04:33PM (#12074286)
>> Obviously, that's not a pragmatic statement, as poor kids from the ghetto often have no appreciation of this and simply don't work towards great outcomes - but this is the reality.

>Ah, it's their fault.

That's not what he said. There are many reasons for this, mostly parenting and culture.

Re:The American Dream Is Alive in Finland by uola on Monday July 11, 2016 @06:06PM (#12075153)
Social mobility is by definition that your own future shouldn't be determined by your parents. So "parenting" is not really a valid excuse if you want social mobility.
Re:The American Dream Is Alive in Finland by jacquesm on Monday July 11, 2016 @05:17PM (#12074737)
That's exactly what he said: that they don't work towards great outcomes.