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Re:Tech job listings are down 40% on several job boards by ryandrake on Friday July 08, 2016 @02:14PM (#12057582)
The "Shortage Of Developers" myth just can't seem to die. Software development labor is a market. If there was really a shortage of developers, you'd see compensation rising to adjust, looser restrictions on remote work, role/responsibility incentives, etc, but is this happening?

If anything, there is a shortage of developers who:

- Have 3-5 years of experience ("Senior, but not too-Senior" engineers)

- Have narrow-enough skill sets

- Are willing to settle for a very narrowly-defined role

- Are willing to live in specific areas

- AND Are willing to work for the compensation offered

Picky companies can't seem to find these mythical employees in large numbers, so they throw their hands up and declare "shortage of engineers!"

Here are some software engineers that are largely getting ignored:

- People with 0-2 years of experience

- People with 10+ years of experience

- Software generalists

- Engineers who would also like to broaden their roles/responsibility (+architecture, +project management, +design?)

- Remote engineers

- Engineers who demand more than "competitively average" packages

Re:Tech job listings are down 40% on several job boards by runT1ME on Friday July 08, 2016 @03:05PM (#12057887)
>The "Shortage Of Developers" myth just can't seem to die. Software development labor is a market. If there was really a shortage of developers, you'd see compensation rising to adjust, looser restrictions on remote work, role/responsibility incentives, etc, but is this happening?

Yes...? All of this has happened. Twitter has become remote friendly. My employer is 100% no remote but continues to make exceptions and we have 6 or so remote employees now.

Salaries have skyrocket in the last five years. So I'd say...yes, there is a shortage of talented developers.

Re:Tech job listings are down 40% on several job boards by onion2k on Saturday July 09, 2016 @01:52AM (#12060307)
there is a shortage of talented developers

"talented" in that context usually means "has the ability of an experienced developer at the salary of a more junior developer."

If you accept that talented software engineers are the people who are simply good at software development then there are plenty - but they're often older, more experienced, and consequently paid more.

Re:Tech job listings are down 40% on several job boards by randomdata on Saturday July 09, 2016 @02:08AM (#12060335)
> Salaries have skyrocket in the last five years. So I'd say...yes, there is a shortage of talented developers.

Actually, a shortage means that there is an external force that prevents the price from rising, such as government intervention[1]. If salaries have skyrocketed in the last five years, that is a sure sign that there isn't a shortage; although perhaps a shrinking pool of those who can afford the available supply.

As higher and higher salary offers are made, fewer and fewer companies can justify the costs. As fewer companies can afford to hire developers, fewer developers are needed. Thus, in a functioning market where prices are rising, the number of businesses in the running to hire developers can never exceed the number of developers available. As soon as there is another business wanting to hire a developer, the price will rise until someone stops wanting a developer because it has become unaffordable.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shortage

Re:Tech job listings are down 40% on several job boards by dragonwriter on Friday July 08, 2016 @03:08PM (#12057903)
> there was really a shortage of developers, you'd see compensation rising to adjust

Software development wages have risen faster than general wages for decades, haven't they?

Re:Tech job listings are down 40% on several job boards by ryandrake on Friday July 08, 2016 @03:31PM (#12058052)
Even if they remained flat, that would beat general wages, which in real terms have been falling for decades.

Besides those rare outliers at rare outlier companies, like that dude at Google that makes $300K who everyone on HN seems to know, are software development wages actually going up to the extent that would indicate a "shortage"? Are they even 10% (inflation adjusted) over where they were a decade ago?

Re:Tech job listings are down 40% on several job boards by geodel on Friday July 08, 2016 @04:13PM (#12058318)
You nailed it. I often think either I am lowly paid or people exaggerate here about compensation. People I know in non-online world seems to be making about same as I make and I do not make that much for 10+ years of experience.
Re:Tech job listings are down 40% on several job boards by mavelikara on Friday July 08, 2016 @06:57PM (#12059152)
> like that dude at Google that makes $300K who everyone on HN seems to know

When people talk about developer shortage, they often have developers fit for these jobs in mind.

Re:Tech job listings are down 40% on several job boards by iBzOtaku on Sunday July 10, 2016 @08:35AM (#12065415)
> that dude at Google that makes $300K who everyone on HN seems to know

I don't. Who are you talking about?

Re:Tech job listings are down 40% on several job boards by cinquemb on Friday July 08, 2016 @02:42PM (#12057761)
>Here are some software engineers that are largely getting ignored:

Idk, people who have problems they need solved today (not after stringing along would be devs for months for the latest fad-de-jour) opportunities are out there, but take some looking outside of the crap posting resumes and useless meetups…

Re:Tech job listings are down 40% on several job boards by thaumasiotes on Friday July 08, 2016 @11:31PM (#12059955)
> Here are some software engineers that are largely getting ignored:

> - People with 0-2 years of experience

What are these people supposed to be doing? You can't have 3-5 years of experience without having 0-2 years of experience first.