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Re:Dark side of pampered software engineer by CM30 on Sunday July 03, 2016 @06:42PM (#12027968)
Which seems to present the interesting divide between European software engineers and American ones.

In the US, you get pampered, but seem to have lots of late nights, 'crunch' time, etc. In Europe, you get far lower wages but it's treated almost solely as a 9-5 job.

Re:Dark side of pampered software engineer by sotojuan on Sunday July 03, 2016 @07:03PM (#12028029)
A lot (maybe most) programming jobs in the US are 9-5 but they're not at companies or places HN would be interested in discussing.
Re:Dark side of pampered software engineer by deskamess on Sunday July 03, 2016 @07:06PM (#12028041)
Unfortunately there are a lot of jobs in North America that are stated as 9-5 but include unpaid on-call and overtime. There are laws that make it so that IT does not have to be paid overtime.
Re:Dark side of pampered software engineer by kemiller2002 on Sunday July 03, 2016 @07:15PM (#12028069)
I have to disagree with this. Most IT jobs in the U.S. aren't 9-5. Every place I've interviewed have always hinted at the fact that it's not a 40 hour a week job. This may sound jaded, but companies really do expect to get more than what they pay for, and it's not just the silicon valley ones. I think the real issue is that most programmers feel a dedication and passion to what they do and they want to see the project succeed, and so the get taken advantage of.
Re:Dark side of pampered software engineer by copperx on Sunday July 03, 2016 @08:03PM (#12028201)
It's ridiculous to frame it like that. I'm sure most surgeons also want to make sure their patients benefit from a surgery, but I'm sure they don't get taken advantage of.
Re:Dark side of pampered software engineer by deskamess on Sunday July 03, 2016 @07:09PM (#12028055)
I read those stories and wondered when they got time to be 'pampered'.

For the jobs listed, if they averaged out the compensation/hours-worked it would be interesting to see what the numbers are (with and without RSU).