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Re:Does More Security at Airports Make Us Safer or Just Move... by Spooky23 on Friday July 01, 2016 @12:14PM (#12017356)
It's a nasty business, but in that scenario, the system worked by protecting society at large from an airplane as a missile scenario.

Security has different dimensions. The point of TSA security is to avoid situations where a hostile party can breach the cockpit or disable the plane in the air. All of the security theatre, random searches, etc are all there to make airliners a less attractive target and try to keep terrorism scoped.

Protecting your life as a passenger is a secondary priority, which is accomplished by the random placement of air marshals. Someone planning to fashion ad-hoc spears out of plastic utensils or whatever must account for the presence of a guy with a gun as well as passengers fighting back.

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Re:Does More Security at Airports Make Us Safer or Just Move... by stcredzero on Friday July 01, 2016 @01:44PM (#12018149)
Someone planning to fashion ad-hoc spears out of plastic utensils or whatever must account for the presence of a guy with a gun as well as passengers fighting back.

So, are you saying a vigilant public and "a good guy with a gun" are the actual solutions? (And before the reader jumps to a conclusion about my relevant political positions, I'd estimate there's an 80% chance that you'd be wrong!)

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Re:Does More Security at Airports Make Us Safer or Just Move... by themartorana on Friday July 01, 2016 @02:19PM (#12018451)
Vigilant public and a locked cabin door. Yes.

Now, it's true sometimes passengers can be... "too vigilant..." There are plenty of stories of Muslims being kicked off of planes for no particular reason, but in the end, yes, I vote public education.

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Re:Does More Security at Airports Make Us Safer or Just Move... by Spooky23 on Friday July 01, 2016 @04:48PM (#12019533)
Yes, for the keeping passengers on an airplane alive and well.

For the "stop a hijacker from flying into a building" scenario, the locked door is the control.

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Re:Does More Security at Airports Make Us Safer or Just Move... by Retric on Friday July 01, 2016 @08:39PM (#12020812)
Those locked doors need to last for 3+ hours on a flight over the ocean. Which might be possible but probably not.
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Re:Does More Security at Airports Make Us Safer or Just Move... by tamana on Saturday July 02, 2016 @12:10PM (#12022981)
No they don't. 3 hrs is plenty of time for a military jet to intercept a hostile commercial jet
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Re:Does More Security at Airports Make Us Safer or Just Move... by Retric on Friday July 01, 2016 @08:36PM (#12020797)
If a good guy with a gun is on-board that's either paying for someone on every flight. Or your letting random people on board and ya know bad guys can also get guns.

Don't forget, we already lost an aircraft because the door locks and a pilot had a death wish. So, even if you pay someone with a gun to be on board he could be a terrorist, so now you need two guys with guns...

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