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Re:Today’s Renters Are Worse Off Than Their Parents by Kinnard on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @07:29PM (#12005607)
+ rapacious compound interest with the end-result of extracting 30yrs of labor?
Re:Today’s Renters Are Worse Off Than Their Parents by MichaelBurge on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @08:13PM (#12005795)
If you had $300,000 in the bank, would you loan it out to some Joe for a measly 3.25% interest? I sure wouldn't, even if God himself[1] appeared in a fire next to me and guaranteed this loan. There's better ways to spend your money.

The only reason the banks accept such a piddling sum is because they immediately sell the loan to a government-run corporation(or maybe skim the interest for a year or two).

In the 1800s before the government stepped in, you had to put 50% down, your interest rates were more like 11%, and while the loan was amortized over 30 years it ended after 5 years, so you'd have a 25-years balloon payment at the end. That's about what it would take for me to consider that loan worth it. The modern term for a loan that isn't sold to the government is a 'portfolio loan', and some smaller banks or hard money lenders will give it to you. Expect 1800s-style loan terms for an 1800s-style loan.

The only time I'd loan money out at 3.25% if I were expecting you to default, and wanted to get your 20% down payment for free when I foreclosed as the noteholder.

[1] Okay, I might actually take it in that case. But not because it's a good deal on paper.

Re:Today’s Renters Are Worse Off Than Their Parents by no_flags on Thursday June 30, 2016 @01:25PM (#12010147)
"The only reason the banks accept such a piddling sum is because they immediately sell the loan to a government-run corporation(or maybe skim the interest for a year or two)."

Being ignorant of the situation, I went to fact check this statement and was blown away by how true it is. I'm flabbergasted at the amount of involvement the US government has in the mortage market. More reading if anyone is interested:

1. https://www.frbatlanta.org/banking/publications/financial-up... (Somewhat outdated but mostly good info)

2. http://blogs.reuters.com/bethany-mclean/2013/08/20/getting-g...

3. http://www.npr.org/2015/03/24/395119065/as-economy-rebounds-...

4. http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/04/21/401259676/who-o...

Re:Today’s Renters Are Worse Off Than Their Parents by dpark on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @07:40PM (#12005666)
The proposed alternative doesn't get rid of that. It just hides it in the rent cost. No one's going to hand someone a house and say "pay me back over 30 years without any interest" unless they're running a charity.

Making a transaction more complex doesn't change the fundamentals. You either save and buy, or take a loan out and buy, or you don't buy. Anything else involves some form of charity.

Re:Today’s Renters Are Worse Off Than Their Parents by Kinnard on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @07:42PM (#12005680)
I think market dynamics could produce a situation where interest is close to zero. Besides that lending with interest is illegal in several societies.
Re:Today’s Renters Are Worse Off Than Their Parents by dpark on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @07:52PM (#12005721)
Mortgage rates are close to zero already. What scenario do you imagine would drive them even closer to zero? And in such a scenario, why would anyone bother making loans?

Market dynamics are not magic. If it's not profitable to lend money, no one will.

The only way I could see rates hitting zero would be if the government started charging interest on money sitting in banks. Such an event would not be a sign of good housing opportunities so much as a sign of significant economic struggles.

Re:Today’s Renters Are Worse Off Than Their Parents by Kinnard on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @08:23PM (#12005828)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_banking_and_finance "Sharia prohibits acceptance of specific interest or fees for loans of money (known as riba, or usury), whether the payment is fixed or floating . . . As of 2014, sharia compliant financial institutions represented approximately 1% of total world assets. By 2009, there were over 300 banks and 250 mutual funds around the world complying with Islamic principles and as of 2014 total assets of around $2 trillion were sharia-compliant. According to Ernst & Young, although Islamic Banking still makes up only a fraction of the banking assets of Muslims, it has been growing faster than banking assets as a whole, growing at an annual rate of 17.6% between 2009 and 2013, and is projected to grow by an average of 19.7% a year to 2018."

Just one example.

Re:Today’s Renters Are Worse Off Than Their Parents by nimos on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @08:41PM (#12005888)
http://muslimmatters.org/2010/07/15/the-failure-of-islamic-f...

Islamic banks do not provide interest free money. They just use a variety of different legal structures so that there isn't anything explicitly called interest in the agreements. Usually involving the bank buying the asset and selling back to the borrower at an inflated price.

Re:Today’s Renters Are Worse Off Than Their Parents by sremani on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @09:02PM (#12005954)
They seem to replace interest with fees or commissions.
Re:Today’s Renters Are Worse Off Than Their Parents by dmoy on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @08:39PM (#12005880)
Islamic banking isn't equivalent to interest free loans, it's a separate system.

Islamic banks still profit from loans.

Re:Today’s Renters Are Worse Off Than Their Parents by xrange on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @07:35PM (#12005642)
3.34% as of 2016Jun29 for a fixed 30 year mortgage.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/30-fixed-mortgage-rates-fall-1...

Re:Today’s Renters Are Worse Off Than Their Parents by distances on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @07:48PM (#12005700)
Or 3 month Euribor is now -0.281%, so with say 1.2% margin for bank the current interest would be 0.92%. Obviously with no guarantee for it staying that low.

http://www.euribor-rates.eu

Re:Today’s Renters Are Worse Off Than Their Parents by nimos on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @08:05PM (#12005767)
You can't compare 3 month term interbank loans to a 30 year term mortgage. 30 year tbills are around 2.25%.
Re:Today’s Renters Are Worse Off Than Their Parents by distances on Thursday June 30, 2016 @06:26AM (#12007621)
That wasn't a comparison to the 30 year fixed mortgage, just brought up an alternative.

And this is not theoretical, the usual way to get a mortgage around here is Euribor with a margin for the bank added, practically no-one gets decades-long fixed mortgages.

Re:Today’s Renters Are Worse Off Than Their Parents by rmah on Thursday June 30, 2016 @09:03AM (#12008198)
A 3mo interbank rate is not an alternative to a 30 yr consumer mortgage.
Re:Today’s Renters Are Worse Off Than Their Parents by distances on Friday July 01, 2016 @06:39AM (#12014996)
Not sure what you mean -- as I said, that's what people do around here: interbank rate + bank marginal. Fixed 30-year mortgages are very rare.
Re:Today’s Renters Are Worse Off Than Their Parents by brightball on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @08:05PM (#12005763)
2.875 on a 15 year here