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Re:Reasons not to use (i.e., be used by) Facebook by xiaoma on Sunday June 26, 2016 @06:46PM (#11983175)
He's not trying to be the bridge. He is the standard bearer.

In the 90s, others such as ESR and Linus were the bridges. Stallman has always been the idealist who will hold firm to his ideal. Back in the day, like you, I thought he was extreme and kind of silly. ESR had a far more socially acceptable and commercially palatable message (which is pretty shocking in retrospect, considering the direction his writing and politics have taken).

Nearly 20 years later, it's clear that Stallman is almost certain to be a historical figure remembered hundreds of years from now. His older "crazy" pieces like The right to read look more prophetic by the day. If nothing else, his utter disregard of popular views has made him free to speak truths that others can't.

Re:Reasons not to use (i.e., be used by) Facebook by ppopoff on Sunday June 26, 2016 @10:10PM (#11983815)
> Nearly 20 years later, it's clear that Stallman is almost certain to be a historical figure remembered hundreds of years from now.

Hyperbole much? He's not going to be forgotten, but... RMS is a hacker icon, but he's a bit obscure outside the community. RMS is legit hating on Facebook here but there's no Hollywood movie about RMS. Zuckerberg is a household name. I'll agree that RMS has done more net good thank Zuckerberg, but who is more likely to show up in a textbook a hundred years removed at this rate?

Re:Reasons not to use (i.e., be used by) Facebook by jdietrich on Sunday June 26, 2016 @10:49PM (#11983933)
Breadth and depth of fame are orthogonal.

Unless he does some remarkable philanthropy, Zuckerberg will be forgotten shortly after Tom from MySpace. Facebook isn't really fundamental to anything, it's just a business that executed an existing concept very well.

RMS may never be well known to the general public, but his reputation within his field is likely to endure in a manner similar to Euclid or Eratosthenes. GNU and the GPL are foundational elements of modern computing. Stallman had the fundamental insight that software is inherently political, then built a large part of the infrastructure necessary for humanistic software to flourish. The landscape of modern software would be utterly unrecognisable without the contributions of RMS.

Re:Reasons not to use (i.e., be used by) Facebook by pyre on Sunday June 26, 2016 @11:48PM (#11984119)
> it's just a business that executed an existing concept very well

So is McDonald's, but I somehow think that they've managed to embed themselves into the culture/society enough that they won't soon be forgotten should they ever fall.

Re:Reasons not to use (i.e., be used by) Facebook by Teever on Monday June 27, 2016 @12:57AM (#11984269)
So what can you tell me about the founders or CEOs of McDonalds?
Re:Reasons not to use (i.e., be used by) Facebook by ppopoff on Monday June 27, 2016 @02:13AM (#11984439)
Seriously? How about the McDonalds, and Ray Kroc? Never heard of those names?
Re:Reasons not to use (i.e., be used by) Facebook by Majestic121 on Monday June 27, 2016 @03:55AM (#11984736)
I never heard of Ray Kroc. I just asked around and not one person knew who the CEO of McDonalds is. (Ronald does not count I guess)

You're overestimating how famous this guy is.

Re:Reasons not to use (i.e., be used by) Facebook by pfranz on Monday June 27, 2016 @05:02AM (#11984951)
I'd expect Ray Kroc to be at the level of a Jeopardy question. I wouldn't expect RMS to be a question. Michael Keaton is playing Ray Kroc in a film that will be released in two months.
Re:Reasons not to use (i.e., be used by) Facebook by andreyvit on Monday June 27, 2016 @06:11AM (#11985179)
FWIW, as a single data point, I've never heard of Ray Kroc and didn't know that McDonalds was a name (although I would guess so if asked).
Re:Reasons not to use (i.e., be used by) Facebook by pyre on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @01:17PM (#11995548)
Was there ever a point in time when the founders / CEOs of McDonald's became cultural icons / household names?
Re:Reasons not to use (i.e., be used by) Facebook by vacri on Sunday June 26, 2016 @07:57PM (#11983449)
Holding firm to your ideal includes getting your message across effectively. If you want social change, which Stallman does, you have to 'preach beyond the choir'.

I don't think Stallman's positions are silly. A touch extreme, but I generally agree with them. I just think his name-calling runs counter to what he wants to achieve.

Re:Reasons not to use (i.e., be used by) Facebook by jdietrich on Sunday June 26, 2016 @10:52PM (#11983944)
RMS isn't writing for a general audience, he is writing for us. We hackers can spread the word in a palatable manner; RMS's job is to hold us to account, push us to the highest standards of ethical conduct and hold a mirror up to our hypocrisies.

The world needs pragmatists, but it needs zealots too.

Re:Reasons not to use (i.e., be used by) Facebook by stephenr on Monday June 27, 2016 @04:32AM (#11984852)
> RMS isn't writing for a general audience, he is writing for us.

People who already agree with him? Great way to spread his message huh?

> RMS's job is to hold us to account, push us to the highest standards of ethical conduct

For certain (i.e: his) values of "ethical conduct", obviously.

> The world needs pragmatists, but it needs zealots too

And apparently a lot of people need a messiah to follow.

If you need someone to "push you to the highest standards of ethical conduct", I'd like an hour of your time to explain how not giving all your money and assets to me, is completely unethical.

Re:Reasons not to use (i.e., be used by) Facebook by rimantas on Monday June 27, 2016 @03:41AM (#11984697)
Maybe to you, not to me. And I have doubts about the highness of his ethical standards.