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Re:When You Dial 911 and Wall Street Answers by nkrisc on Saturday June 25, 2016 @05:32PM (#11978090)
Privatization sounds great when you can afford your own private services. Otherwise, tough luck, pull on those bootstraps harder.
Re:When You Dial 911 and Wall Street Answers by hackuser on Saturday June 25, 2016 @05:38PM (#11978114)
Also, privatization often means: Give big government contracts to the campaign donors of the politician pushing privatization.
Re:When You Dial 911 and Wall Street Answers by digi_owl on Sunday June 26, 2016 @07:16AM (#11980313)
Oh so very much this. Also the IPO antics when a formerly public service is made into a private company...
Re:When You Dial 911 and Wall Street Answers by pravda on Sunday June 26, 2016 @03:18PM (#11982196)
Whether you pay it directly, or thru property tax, how is there a difference?

The difference is, if the firemen are government employees, they can vote themselves rich.

http://www.publicsectorinc.org/2014/06/firefighter-pay-shows...

Re:When You Dial 911 and Wall Street Answers by ubernostrum on Sunday June 26, 2016 @11:30PM (#11984073)
Much better for executives to vote themselves rich, like in a well-run privatized system, right?
Re:When You Dial 911 and Wall Street Answers by pravda on Monday June 27, 2016 @01:19AM (#11984318)
That's the point. Private executives can't vote themselves rich. Well, they could, but how would they collect?

Government employees can use violence to steal from you.

Re:When You Dial 911 and Wall Street Answers by ubernostrum on Monday June 27, 2016 @01:38AM (#11984367)
You think executives of a private-sector corporation can't vote to give themselves high salaries or huge bonuses? Most of the time they don't even have to -- it's so ingrained in the culture now that it's just considered a cost of doing business to be robbed blind by the executive team.

And if you think a private corporation can't deploy violence, you probably have never in your life read anything about why we had a rise of labor unions in this country; companies used to be able to call on not only the government's army but also their own private armies to put down, via deadly force, anyone perceived as a threat to the company's profits.

Re:When You Dial 911 and Wall Street Answers by pravda on Monday June 27, 2016 @05:40PM (#11989741)
>it's just considered a cost of doing business to be robbed blind by the executive team.

Who are they robbing? Shareholders! But shareholders choose to be shareholders. You don't like what the executives are up to, you can sell your shares.

> private armies to put down, via deadly force, anyone perceived as a threat to the company's profits.

Ok, now you are being inconsistent. You think it's wrong for executives to be paid above-market wages, but you think it acceptable for employees to be paid above-market wages. Every dollar paid to an employee above market wage comes from shareholders!

But none from taxpayers. All out of corporate profits.

Re:When You Dial 911 and Wall Street Answers by ubernostrum on Monday June 27, 2016 @10:19PM (#11991058)
Ok, now you are being inconsistent. You think it's wrong for executives to be paid above-market wages, but you think it acceptable for employees to be paid above-market wages.

Nope, perfectly consistent. If one group gets to vote themselves a raise, all groups should get to.

Or, more rigorously: if we're going to introduce artificial legally-blessed structures to allow people to pool their resources in order to accomplish things, or wield power in the market, that they couldn't when acting alone, then... I think we should be consistent about it. The corporation exists as an artificial legally-blessed structure for pooling of capital, and the union exists as an artificial legally-blessed structure for pooling of labor. I don't see a way to argue, from a consistent moral/ethical position, for allowing one to exist while forbidding the other. And similarly, the fewer regulations we place on one of these types of entities, the fewer we should place on the other.

Re:When You Dial 911 and Wall Street Answers by stevendhansen on Saturday June 25, 2016 @05:46PM (#11978145)
The only alternatives to privatization I can see are:

1) force the population to collectively pay for these services or 2) force specific individuals to provide these services for free

Option 1 is morally questionable and option 2 is a type of slavery, so it seems privatization isnt quite as bad as the alternatives. At least with a privatized service those who wish to opt out, can.

Re:When You Dial 911 and Wall Street Answers by SolaceQuantum on Saturday June 25, 2016 @06:14PM (#11978250)
Wait, why is it morally questionable that a society comes together to, uh, pool resources and do social things?

We are a social species. It makes sense that a social species pools resources together for the good of their collective whole.

Re:When You Dial 911 and Wall Street Answers by arcticbull on Saturday June 25, 2016 @06:23PM (#11978284)
Remind me, how is the collection of taxes to pay for services in the public interest 'morally questionable'? The fire department in particular is such an obvious case because a fire affecting one property can easily spread to the next -- and so on. Is that something you want to happen because the property owner of the first house couldn't afford the fire department? That's morally questionable.
Re:When You Dial 911 and Wall Street Answers by jschwartzi on Sunday June 26, 2016 @11:15AM (#11981117)
Moreover, given a choice, a lot of people wouldn't pay ahead of time for a private fire service, leading to the kind of bankruptcy situations the article is describing. Some localities solve this problem by levying a property tax and using it to maintain public emergency services, so that anyone who would benefit from their presence in a catastrophe has already paid for the service.

This whole article just discusses the consequences of not wanting to pay taxes on anything. It perfectly described a libertarian paradise of private, for-hire, emergency services.