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Re:Norway–European Union relations by gkya on Saturday June 25, 2016 @10:51AM (#11976492)
My impression is that the UK will have to face some border problems before negotiating anything with the EU. Scotland may want to secede, Northern Ireland may want to join R. o. Ireland, Gibraltar may want to move into Spain. And then the situation for many overseas territories of the UK will change, as they did gode some privileges from the EU.
Re:Norway–European Union relations by secfirstmd on Saturday June 25, 2016 @10:57AM (#11976507)
Northern Ireland wont vote to reunify in my lifetime. First, they received about 11 billions pounds a year in transfers from the UK budget, which the Republic could never afford. Second, the Unionist population would never vote for it. Third, and this is the bit most people don't realise - polls in the Republic nearly always are a No to reunification - we esp when the financial and security costs are considered.
Re:Norway–European Union relations by NetStrikeForce on Saturday June 25, 2016 @01:03PM (#11976998)
But now reunifications means EU, which means funding; while the status quo is... Uncertain.

There's a reason Remain won in Northern Ireland.

Re:Norway–European Union relations by throwaway987611 on Saturday June 25, 2016 @11:14AM (#11976573)
I'm afraid to say, that your impressions are incorrect.

Northern Ireland will not be joining Southern Ireland. They still see themselves as British first. Go over there, like I have and you'll see British Flags everywhere.

Also, have you see the situation in Spain lately? Gibraltar is staying put.

I do love hearing these fantasists hoping that the UK crumbles because it left the UK.

You do realise there are whispers within the STRONGER countries in the EU who are now thinking of having their own referendums?

The EU better be be careful as otherwise it's just France, Germany and a whole lot of smaller poorer southern countries and Germany goes bankrupt trying to bail them out!

Lets see what happens when Greece finally explodes!

Re:Norway–European Union relations by gkya on Saturday June 25, 2016 @02:52PM (#11977472)
Don't be afraid to say that, mate, I may be wrong, and I hope that I am. I have relatives that live there, 2nd gen, and some of them do international businesses. If the relations among what will remain from the UK and the EU will be tense, I'd thus be sad.

> [N. Irish] still see themselves as British first. Go over there, like I have and you'll see British Flags everywhere.

I can't be bothered, the UK is not worth the burden of its visa, sorry. Also, you don't want strangers there, do you? But the flag argument of yours mean nothing. There are many areas where there is a flag without a majority identifying themselves with it (turkish Kurdistan, Catalonia, and maybe also N. Ireland?).

> Also, have you see the situation in Spain lately? Gibraltar is staying put.

No, I haven't. But Spain did offer shared sovereignty over Gibraltar, that means something. It will at least be discussed in the near future.

> I do love hearing these fantasists hoping that the UK crumbles because it left the UK.

The UK left the UK, that's a typo, but also a nice coincidence: The UK may indeed have left a part of it, in the EU, we'll see how the things go.

> You do realise there are whispers within the STRONGER countries in the EU who are now thinking of having their own referendums?

> The EU better be be careful as otherwise it's just France, Germany and a whole lot of smaller poorer southern countries and Germany goes bankrupt trying to bail them out!

An examplar of how good the Leave-guys had their facts before voting. I stalked your account too, you're a brexiteer and you try your hand at making some redditesque comments here, and I'd rather not answer, but I do because you're diffonding misinformation.

> Lets see what happens when Greece finally explodes!

Greece has already exploded, what we have is the remains.

Re:Norway–European Union relations by Atropos on Saturday June 25, 2016 @12:11PM (#11976792)
Cameron announced the referendum as policy choice in 2013 and at least after the May 2015 election it was clear it would happen. Therefore this was a long time coming. Has any other European country started with a referendum process in the meantime? Do you think just because the UK voted out, suddenly a stampede of referendums will begin, even though it would be much smarter to wait and see how things turn out in the UK? "Fantasists" hoping the other side will crumble exist in both camps... (Let's not forget that Cameron was campaigning for IN. In the future, the only government who would call a referendum must be campaigning for OUT - nobody else would take the risk after what happened in the UK)
Re:Norway–European Union relations by airesQ on Saturday June 25, 2016 @11:38AM (#11976681)
If the UK leaves, Scotland is probably out.

The economy prospects are not looking good. Capital is flowing out of the UK, and plans for new investment's are being cancelled all over the place.

Why invest in country that might be behind a trade barrier at any point?

A country that is being consumed by a strong populist movement that is convinced that the EU is worse than the USSR?

Sorry, we have had 70 years of peace and prosperity, and I don't believe that that would be possible if the EU was the monster that the Brexit camp portrays.

The dislocations in the city have begun.[1]

Keep mind that there are 49%+ Britons aghast at what is happening. They didn't vote for this, and don't deserve this.

[1] - FT's pay-wall, just search for "Banks begin moving some operations out of Britain"

Re:Norway–European Union relations by hackerboos on Saturday June 25, 2016 @12:36PM (#11976892)
No still leads the polls in post-Brexit Scotland [1]. The economic arguments are not there since the collapse in the oil price.

[1] - http://whatscotlandthinks.org/questions/if-a-majority-of-peo...

Re:Norway–European Union relations by protomyth on Saturday June 25, 2016 @01:07PM (#11977019)
and oil dropped in price on the Brexit vote giving some of my fellow North Dakotans a bit of a poor view on the vote as oil was finally back to the "good" range.

[edit: too soon]

Re:Norway–European Union relations by DanBC on Saturday June 25, 2016 @10:58AM (#11976511)
> Gibraltar may want to move into Spain

I can't see that happening. Gibraltar has had that option for years and they strongly reject it. It causes some international tension - Spain think they should have it.

For one tiny example there are Wikipedia ArbCom sanctions around Gibraltar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests... And there are many archives on the talk page. (For a thing with a population of 30,000 people and an area of about 6.7 km^2 that's a lot of discussion and sanction)

Re:Norway–European Union relations by mchaver on Saturday June 25, 2016 @11:25AM (#11976622)
I think the assumption is that once UK leaves the EU, Gibraltar will no longer be EU and Spain may try to exercise more muscle by making border crossing more painful and try to use that to pressure Gibraltar. I imagine they import a lot of food from Spain.
Re:Norway–European Union relations by esbranson on Saturday June 25, 2016 @11:48AM (#11976713)
In which case UK will retaliate. Spain would not survive a trade war with the UK.
Re:Norway–European Union relations by NetStrikeForce on Saturday June 25, 2016 @01:09PM (#11977029)
Exactly, trade war. Which comes to show how much of a clusterfuck is this Brexit. Who would've talked about trade war a week ago? What about Spain make any bold moves towards Gibraltar?

People laughed when others mentioned potential confrontation and war. I don't think it would happen, but it has just become a bit less improbable.

By the way, the UK can easily win a trade war against Spain; but Spain is part of a bigger trade organisation which is called European Union - does it ring a bell? The UK is dead in the water against any EU country, because they'll go all together, specially against the UK after Brexit because they're willing to make an example out of the UK.

Either way, this is a fucking shame and I hope after a few years the UK population can take to court all the liars that tricked them into voting Leave. Voting Leave is a right, lying to people so they vote Leave or Remain should be a crime.

Re:Norway–European Union relations by mchaver on Saturday June 25, 2016 @11:58AM (#11976759)
It could probably get really messy. Mariano Rajoy has already threatened the status of Brits in Spain in the case of leaving the EU. Amazing what a little patch of land can do. Anyway, I won't try to speculate more than that.
Re:Norway–European Union relations by gkya on Saturday June 25, 2016 @02:01PM (#11977260)
Well if the patch of land is the European side of the strait that's the only direct naval entrance to Mediterranean from the Atlantic.
Re:Norway–European Union relations by landryraccoon on Saturday June 25, 2016 @02:48PM (#11977460)
Wouldn't it be a trade war with the EU since Spain is an EU member?
Re:Norway–European Union relations by gkya on Saturday June 25, 2016 @02:56PM (#11977488)
> Spain may try to exercise more muscle by making border crossing more painful

She'll have to do it if UK will leave, no? Gibraltarians will need a Schengen visa.

Re:Norway–European Union relations by protomyth on Saturday June 25, 2016 @01:05PM (#11977007)
> Gibraltar may want to move into Spain

Doesn't Spain already have a problem with part of it (Catalans) trying to leave? I also seem to remember some thoughts of kicking them out due to being in the same boat as Greece. I haven't really kept up on this news, just curious.

Re:Norway–European Union relations by gkya on Saturday June 25, 2016 @02:58PM (#11977500)
The catalan secession is a nationalistic question, whereas the case with Gibraltar would be an economic-social one.