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Re:Doom, Gloom and Unease: London's Tech Scene Reacts to Brexit by masklinn on Friday June 24, 2016 @03:17PM (#11972607)
> You make the EU sound like an abusive spouse. "Don't leave me or I'll hurt you!"

The UK decided that it could tell the EU to get fucked and get all the benefits of the relationship without any of the drawbacks, it is not in the EU's interest to confirm that and it has very little reason to bend over for the UK. To reuse your ménage analogy, it's more like one spouse deciding to up and go and asking for the house, car, accounts and still being invited to christmas and family dinners.

Re:Doom, Gloom and Unease: London's Tech Scene Reacts to Brexit by yummyfajitas on Friday June 24, 2016 @03:23PM (#11972662)
It's more like one spouse saying "I'm leaving you, please don't hurt the children".

(By analogy, the citizens of Britain/France/etc are the children, who'd like to continue to play with one another, but perhaps one of their abusive parents will use violence to prevent this.)

Re:Doom, Gloom and Unease: London's Tech Scene Reacts to Brexit by masklinn on Friday June 24, 2016 @03:25PM (#11972682)
> It's more like one spouse saying "I'm leaving you, please don't hurt the children".

No, it really isn't.

> By analogy, the citizens of Britain/France/etc are the children, who'd like to continue to play with one another, but perhaps one of their abusive parents will use violence to prevent this.

So the UK left with one of the children and is telling the others they can't see them anymore.

Re:Doom, Gloom and Unease: London's Tech Scene Reacts to Brexit by yummyfajitas on Friday June 24, 2016 @09:31PM (#11974745)
According to you it's the EU who will do these things. Britain and #leave wants a free trade agreement similar to Canada, it's the EU who won't give it to them.
Re:Doom, Gloom and Unease: London's Tech Scene Reacts to Brexit by dragonwriter on Friday June 24, 2016 @04:26PM (#11973181)
But its the citizens of Britain that decided that they were leaving, so who is supposed to be the "parent" that's leaving if the citizens of Britain are "the children"?
Re:Doom, Gloom and Unease: London's Tech Scene Reacts to Brexit by EdHominem on Friday June 24, 2016 @07:51PM (#11974399)
The citizens who didn't want to leave. Who will now be forbidden to walk across what was once an open border, etc.
Re:Doom, Gloom and Unease: London's Tech Scene Reacts to Brexit by tomp on Friday June 24, 2016 @04:16PM (#11973094)
I agree with yummyfajitas here. A rational person would say "OK, we're not compatible, let's split up, but no point destroying the house, spending all our money on lawyers and kill each other". An irrational, emotional, greedy or terribly insecure person would say "You? Leaving me? How could you?! You FUCKER! I'LL RUIN YOU!!! AAAARGGGGGHHHH!!!!!"
Re:Doom, Gloom and Unease: London's Tech Scene Reacts to Brexit by masklinn on Friday June 24, 2016 @04:23PM (#11973155)
You've got your roles exactly inverted here. The UK left screaming, huffing and smashing the door but apparently expecting the same benefits they enjoyed beforehand, as a rational person the EU would have no reason whatsoever to entertain that behaviour let alone reward it.

The EU has no rational reason to be especially sweet on the UK, and looking internally and at the future it can't even be seen as that as it would bolster eurosceptic movements inside the Union.

There's no point of view under which being soft on the UK is rational.

Re:Doom, Gloom and Unease: London's Tech Scene Reacts to Brexit by RickHull on Friday June 24, 2016 @05:27PM (#11973623)
> The UK left screaming, huffing and smashing the door

Huh? This is your characterization of a referendum on membership?

Re:Doom, Gloom and Unease: London's Tech Scene Reacts to Brexit by jpdus on Friday June 24, 2016 @07:38PM (#11974347)
Well, actually it is a good characterization of the leave campaign, which won the vote and thus a valid analogy.
Re:Doom, Gloom and Unease: London's Tech Scene Reacts to Brexit by RickHull on Friday June 24, 2016 @09:14PM (#11974682)
If that's a valid characterization of the internal debate, of what concern is that to the EU? So far, I don't see the UK screaming, huffing, or smashing doors with respect to the EU.
Re:Doom, Gloom and Unease: London's Tech Scene Reacts to Brexit by akoncius on Tuesday July 05, 2016 @02:03PM (#12038275)
well, look at "Leave" campaign: racist party [1] spreads false information about almost every aspect - "let's fund NHS instead" was false and Farage almost instantly rejected that it was a proper promise; said that UK lost their borders, which is false - UK is not a member of Shengen zone;

there were constant phrases from "Leave" party that relationship with EU is abusive, UK is like slave.. it doesn't look for me like intelectual debate with polite arguments.

[1] http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage-claims-...

Re:Doom, Gloom and Unease: London's Tech Scene Reacts to Brexit by tomp on Friday June 24, 2016 @07:40PM (#11974351)
It's an equally good characterization of the remain campaign as well, so I'm not sure that's a good argument...
Re:Doom, Gloom and Unease: London's Tech Scene Reacts to Brexit by tomp on Friday June 24, 2016 @04:37PM (#11973272)
Well, yes, I guess being mean is rational, and being nice irrational.
Re:Doom, Gloom and Unease: London's Tech Scene Reacts to Brexit by masklinn on Saturday June 25, 2016 @03:06AM (#11975531)
> Well, yes, I guess being mean is rational, and being nice irrational.

You're the one who brought on the rationality argument, and while things differ across conflicts, in this specific instance yes being "mean"[0] is rational.

[0] if "not bending over to the whims of an asshole" is considered mean these days

Re:Doom, Gloom and Unease: London's Tech Scene Reacts to Brexit by TheOtherHobbes on Friday June 24, 2016 @05:29PM (#11973638)
But hey - that's capitalism.
Re:Doom, Gloom and Unease: London's Tech Scene Reacts to Brexit by Tomte on Saturday June 25, 2016 @07:33AM (#11976011)
Noone really advocates any form of punishment.

But the UK got extraordinarily preferential treatment in the EU all those decades.

What most people actually advocate is real, tough negotiations, driven by both parties' interests.

And the outcome will --predictably-- not what the Leavers wished for. It will also not be what the EU wished for. That ship has sailed.

Britain will get a deal, based on relative strengths and things the EU and Britain have to offer and the other side wants.

And very much depending on the timeframe the Brits are shooting for. If they want something quick (one to three years) only the Norwegian EFTA model is realistic.

If ten to fifteen years are quick enough all kinds of complicated deals can be negotiated. Can Britain really wait that long?