UK votes to leave EU

Re:UK votes to leave EU by rodgerd on Friday June 24, 2016 @05:06AM (#11968045)

The EU has done a pretty good job. You'd have a hard time finding a 70 year period before the EU where none of the founder members were at war with one another.

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Re:UK votes to leave EU by dnautics on Friday June 24, 2016 @06:22AM (#11968481)

that's an arbitrary number. The EU was officially created in 1993. So a better question would be, can we find a 23 year period before the EU where none of the founder members were at war with each other? Yeah you can. About 3 of them.

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Re:UK votes to leave EU by tremon on Friday June 24, 2016 @06:39AM (#11968595)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_union

The EU traces its origins from the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) and the European Economic Community (EEC), formed by the Inner Six countries in 1951 and 1958 [..] The Maastricht Treaty established the European Union under its current name in 1993

If your position is that every major treaty establishes a new Union, then the EU is less than 10 years old (Treaty of Lisbon, 2009). Otherwise, the EU originated in 1951.

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Re:UK votes to leave EU by wildmusings on Sunday June 26, 2016 @01:50PM (#11981760)

That has almost nothing to do with the EU and almost everything to do with NATO, the massive number of US troops (they outnumber all European troops in Europe), nuclear deterrents, and shared foreign policy goals (i.e. managing the rise of China, combating terrorism, and deterring Russian meddling).

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Re:UK votes to leave EU by agumonkey on Friday June 24, 2016 @05:21AM (#11968125)

It did work for a very long time but even then after a while things go south.

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Re:UK votes to leave EU by TeMPOraL on Friday June 24, 2016 @06:16AM (#11968447)

As a person who currently resides in Europe and expects to continue living on this planet for another 60 or so years, I ask, I plead - could people please consider trying to make things not go south? Petty political and economical differences are not worth another war.

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Re:UK votes to leave EU by agumonkey on Friday June 24, 2016 @06:32AM (#11968556)

Just in case people thought I was rooting for mess over peace. I'm just trying to find why things aren't stable so we can try to keep them stable longer.

Why do most societies resolve internal stress by communautarism, law of ancestry, blind and stupid racism. Why not by gathering and looking at what's wrong then fix it with wisdom.

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Re:UK votes to leave EU by TeMPOraL on Friday June 24, 2016 @06:42AM (#11968608)

I wasn't thinking you're rooting for war - but I had that on my chest and had to say it. I see people sometimes saying things like "oh well, every civilization has to end at some point", or noting that Europe is long overdue for another war. It's as if people didn't realize the war isn't some abstract shifting of borders, it's mostly innocent people dying terrible deaths from bullets, hunger and disease. While it is a true historical fact, it's something we should focus on figuring out and, as you said, "fixing it with wisdom".

Maybe I'm too sensitive on this topic, but ever since the Crimea debacle I've become much more worried about instabilities in Europe. I have only ~300km to the Ukrainian border. There are nights when I hear some weird aerial noises and I wonder if that's a missile, and if this is the day when my city turns into a CoD: MW map.

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Re:UK votes to leave EU by agumonkey on Friday June 24, 2016 @07:17AM (#11968801)

I'll add that I'm 101% against war. But again I'm a drop in the ocean. And again, society is too keen on forgetting the horror of the past while stepping on the rage pedal. Crimea worried me too. I didn't expect a big country doing such a violent thing. I hope Russians demote Putin ... I like to dream.

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