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Re:How a comment on Hacker News led to 4½ new Unicode charac... by ivl on Thursday June 23, 2016 @09:30AM (#11960700)
Sounds like 72 too many if you ask me.

In all seriousness, I'm not sure emoji's really belong in text encoding. Even though it's more convenient, based on where they're most frequently used I don't think they need to be universal.

Re:How a comment on Hacker News led to 4½ new Unicode charac... by msbarnett on Thursday June 23, 2016 @12:19PM (#11962181)
Your options are:

1) everybody uses them on their phones, they're in Unicode, consistent and compatible between devices and messaging programs. In the far flung future, researchers will be able to study their linguistic role in communication, confident in understanding what the characters were.

2) everybody uses them on their phones, they're proprietary fonts and codepoints (in the Unicode private use area if you're luck, just random data if you're not), there's no consistency between phone models, manufacturers, or cell networks. Future researchers can pound sand.

We were at #2 pre-Unicode. It was a goddamn mess, especially in Japan. Lord knows why anyone would prefer it. There's no value in being a snob about what kinds of incredibly frequently used characters we think are Worthy of inclusion, imo.

Re:How a comment on Hacker News led to 4½ new Unicode charac... by gurkendoktor on Thursday June 23, 2016 @04:36PM (#11964118)
There's another option:

3) People who love colourful images will use stickers in Facebook Messenger, LINE, Viber, and soon iMessage. I'm sure WeChat has them too. It's basically like 2), except we've moved from proprietary codepoints to proprietary protocols.

I don't mind characters like and or even good old ︎ (which has always been too tiny for its own good). These work in black and white, in different artistic styles, and they're a fairly limited set.

But now we're going down the road where we get new stuff like tacos and unicorns every year. And even though Unicode is an industry standard, the pictures need to look like Apple's bitmaps to avoid confusion, and the Unicode standard changes so often that you have to manually keep track of who can already see and whose computer/phone/browser/messenger software is too old.

Re:How a comment on Hacker News led to 4½ new Unicode charac... by nfoz on Thursday June 23, 2016 @07:08PM (#11964973)
Interesting. Did you try to include some emoji in your comment? They did not get included:

> characters like and or even good old ︎ (which

Re:How a comment on Hacker News led to 4½ new Unicode charac... by gurkendoktor on Friday June 24, 2016 @10:25PM (#11974899)
Oops, thanks. Well, that explains why I've never seen Emoji on Hacker News. And I've missed the edit window, so I can't fix my post.

Should have been:

> I don't mind characters like ((yellow smiling Emoji)) and ((thumbs up Emoji)) or even good old ︎((pre-Emoji Unicode smiley)) (which has always been too tiny for its own good). These work in black and white, in different artistic styles, and they're a fairly limited set.

> But now we're going down the road where we get new stuff like tacos and unicorns every year. And even though Unicode is an industry standard, the pictures need to look like Apple's bitmaps to avoid confusion, and the Unicode standard changes so often that you have to manually keep track of who can already see ((upside-down smiling Emoji)) and whose computer/phone/browser/messenger software is too old.

Re:How a comment on Hacker News led to 4½ new Unicode charac... by TheCoelacanth on Thursday June 23, 2016 @09:48AM (#11960780)
The "universal" in Unicode means that it aspires to include all symbols used in any form of text; not that it should only include symbols that are used in all forms of text.
Re:How a comment on Hacker News led to 4½ new Unicode charac... by rudolf0 on Thursday June 23, 2016 @01:19PM (#11962722)
I kind of agree, but we've already committed at this point. No going back, really. So there's no harm in adding some more.