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Re:F-35 Delays Mean US Marines Are Pulling Old F-18s Out of ... by tomjen3 on Tuesday June 21, 2016 @03:18AM (#11944024)
Right, but the better planes are needed for deterrent.
Re:F-35 Delays Mean US Marines Are Pulling Old F-18s Out of ... by kristopolous on Tuesday June 21, 2016 @03:27AM (#11944048)
If the money was used instead in financial vehicles for the adversarial countries in question, the created economic codependence would very likely be more effective than this plane
Re:F-35 Delays Mean US Marines Are Pulling Old F-18s Out of ... by rat87 on Tuesday June 21, 2016 @04:49AM (#11944414)
Peace is nice but I wouldn't count on a large amount of trade to end all wars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Illusion

> The Great Illusion is a book by Norman Angell, first published in the United Kingdom in 1909

> Angell argued that war between industrial countries was futile because conquest did not pay. J.D.B. Miller writes: "The 'Great Illusion' was that nations gained by armed confrontation, militarism, war, or conquest."[3] The economic interdependence between industrial countries meant that war would be economically harmful to all the countries involved. Moreover, if a conquering power confiscated property in the territory it seized, "the incentive to produce [of the local population] would be sapped and the conquered area be rendered worthless. Thus, the conquering power had to leave property in the hands of the local population while incurring the costs of conquest and occupation."[3]

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He was partially right though

> Angell said that arms build-up, for example the naval race that was happening as he wrote the book in the early 1910s, was not going to secure peace. Instead, it would lead to increased insecurity and thus increase the likelihood of war.

Re:F-35 Delays Mean US Marines Are Pulling Old F-18s Out of ... by kristopolous on Tuesday June 21, 2016 @07:53AM (#11945013)
That's a pretty old framework. The idea of peace through codependency is AFAIK a bit newer. The biggest problem is that it looks like it could lead to sovereign insolvency which can backfire if it leads to economic calamity and the rise of a political group with an eye on conquest (see Europe 1930s)

As an interesting aside, I'm no fan of wealth inequality. However, if it looks like it's the primary mechanism that is prolonging relative global peace (as in no biological or nuclear weapons being used), I may accept the tradeoff.

There's a balance, to be a bit vulgar, between "alright we need to pay this" and "fuck this debt, we're storming the castle"

Re:F-35 Delays Mean US Marines Are Pulling Old F-18s Out of ... by tomjen3 on Tuesday June 21, 2016 @04:22PM (#11949107)
Money didn't stop WWI. Britain could not afford the completely batshit insane 3.251.000.000 (thats more than 3 billion) Pound Sterling it paid for the war (in 1900s money)[0]! and there are still bondholders who haven't been paid back, 100 years later.

[0]:http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/zqhxvcw#zy4gjxs

Re:F-35 Delays Mean US Marines Are Pulling Old F-18s Out of ... by siscia on Tuesday June 21, 2016 @03:51AM (#11944149)
Or on better education... In both sides of the conflicts...
Re:F-35 Delays Mean US Marines Are Pulling Old F-18s Out of ... by carloscar on Tuesday June 21, 2016 @03:30AM (#11944054)
From what the Germans? I thought nuclear weapons were for deterrent.
Re:F-35 Delays Mean US Marines Are Pulling Old F-18s Out of ... by jacquesm on Tuesday June 21, 2016 @03:35AM (#11944078)
No, they are for government pork.

A cheap plane would not nearly be as effective.

Re:F-35 Delays Mean US Marines Are Pulling Old F-18s Out of ... by jankey on Tuesday June 21, 2016 @03:48AM (#11944134)
That's what the F22 is for, no?
Re:F-35 Delays Mean US Marines Are Pulling Old F-18s Out of ... by UnoriginalGuy on Tuesday June 21, 2016 @04:46AM (#11944404)
The F-22 is, even now, still projected to cost more per aircraft than the F-35. Plus the F-22 cannot be sold internationally for reasons that aren't entirely clear (something about secret technology), whereas the F-35 can.
Re:F-35 Delays Mean US Marines Are Pulling Old F-18s Out of ... by burfog on Tuesday June 21, 2016 @11:10AM (#11946191)
It's barely more expensive, and it's a way better plane.

If we are going to settle for less than the F-22, then we should just buy the stealth-upgraded F-15. It's cheaper than the F-35.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_F-15SE_Silent_Eagle

Re:F-35 Delays Mean US Marines Are Pulling Old F-18s Out of ... by icelancer on Tuesday June 21, 2016 @06:17AM (#11944716)
Isn't it entirely based around the stealth functions of the F-22, and more specifically, their unique application of such? I am pretty sure they fear reverse engineering of the metallic skin; hence why the Senate has pushed for an exportable version.