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Re:Study suggests that the “brain training” industry may be ... by bordercases on Monday June 20, 2016 @11:22PM (#11943257)
<3 Krakauer.

Like everyone in his field he has probably encountered Herbert Simon before. But as far as "Intelligence is Search" goes, Herb thought that "search" is a subset of problem solving, next to "reasoning" and "constraints". In the end they could all be considered as being unified under "traversal of state-space" for a given problem. Creativity or imagination can be thought of as generating useful representations and possibilities for states within that space.

Re:Study suggests that the “brain training” industry may be ... by dredmorbius on Tuesday June 21, 2016 @01:51AM (#11943749)
Ooh! Simon's new to me (or at least I think he is): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_A._Simon

Anything of his that you find particularly singular or encapsulating these ideas?

Also, it was just Simon's centenary.

Good brief interview with Simon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErnWbP_Wztk

Re:Study suggests that the “brain training” industry may be ... by internaut on Tuesday June 21, 2016 @03:13PM (#11948562)
I too am a camp follower following the bread crumb trail.

After looking at Herbert's wiki, I feel like I've been creeping around his ideas for much of my life without realizing he was the progenitor, to the point where a few comments ago I used a word he invented. Krakauer's ideas too really resonate, these guys are really onto something.

Tentatively dipping a toe into complex adaptive systems and the Sante Fe institute also keeps coming up time and time again, they seem to have captured everybody thinking about this in depth.

Does anybody have good leads on Krakauer and Simon's ideas? e.g. books for a dive into?

Hoping for a Adaptive Complexity for Dummies!

Re:Study suggests that the “brain training” industry may be ... by bordercases on Thursday June 23, 2016 @04:32PM (#11964084)
> After looking at Herbert's wiki, I feel like I've been creeping around his ideas for much of my life without realizing he was the progenitor

I had this exact feeling as well. Herb thought at the exact same level of abstraction that I like to think in, broadly construed as "models", not too rigorous to be mathematics, but not too loose to be raw observational psychology. Just right. Marvin Minksy is precisely the same but for AI systems rather than humans.

Krakauer's website is where I would read Krakauer: http://tuvalu.santafe.edu/~krakauer/Site/Publications.html

Scott E Page and his "Model Thinking" course on Coursera is in the same vein as these two. He's a complexity theorist that deals with proper representation of social networks and distributed decision-making. His books "The Difference" and "Complex Adaptive Systems" are academic but extremely readable, and don't harken after the same Cellular Automata and Chaos examples without at least operationalizing them into some application first.

Re:Study suggests that the “brain training” industry may be ... by internaut on Sunday June 26, 2016 @01:47PM (#11981751)
Thanks!
Re:Study suggests that the “brain training” industry may be ... by dredmorbius on Tuesday June 21, 2016 @08:46PM (#11950767)
I just tracked down a whole mess of Simon's publications through Worldcat yesterday after responding on this thread. Organizations and hist book on adminstration seem like the two main ones.

I'm not sure regarding Krakauer, though I'm pretty positive he's published. SFI are _quite_ good about posting papers and such online, something I discovered after scanning in two books on a 30s/page scanner.... (I've since found faster scanners to use...) Though the published papers don't have the full formulae and typesetting of the published work.

Re:Study suggests that the “brain training” industry may be ... by internaut on Wednesday June 22, 2016 @06:56PM (#11957696)
Thanks, I'll check those out. Krakauer has a book on protocells, looks like a general overview of new ideas about self starting life plus computational ideas since Miller-Urey experiments. My trepidation is that I don't know if I'd require a PhD in biological science to understand it. I'm reading through some of his articles at the moment and they're all interesting.

> Though the published papers don't have the full formulae and typesetting of the published work.

Maybe email the author.