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Re:Alan Kay has agreed to do an AMA today by alankay on Monday June 20, 2016 @03:20PM (#11940577)
There's coming up with ideas: learn to dream while you are awake, the ideas are there.

There's coming up with a good idea: learn how to not get buried in your ideas (most are mediocre down to bad even for people who have "good idea skills"!)

I write down ideas in notebooks to get rid of them. Every once in a while one will capture a different point of view.

And, there's the Princeton Tea joke of scientists comparing what they did for ideas. One says "I have them in the middle of the night so I have a pad by my bed". Another says "I have them in the shower so I have a grease pencil to write them on the walls". Einstein was listening and they asked him about his ideas. He said "I don't know, I've only had two!"

(Some people are better at filtering than others ...)

Re:Alan Kay has agreed to do an AMA today by msdos on Tuesday June 21, 2016 @07:50AM (#11945000)
How much impact have actual dreams had in your work? Have you ever gotten ideas or answers in dreams?
Re:Alan Kay has agreed to do an AMA today by alankay1 on Tuesday June 21, 2016 @08:23AM (#11945137)
Bob Barton got most of his great ideas in sleeping dreams.

Most of my ideas come in "waking dreams" (this is a state that most children indulge in readily, but it can be retained in a more or less useful way -- I don't think you quite get into adulthood by retaining it, so it's a tradeoff).

Main thing about ideas is that, however they come, most of them are mediocre down to bad -- so steps have to be taken to deal with this major problem.

Re:Alan Kay has agreed to do an AMA today by dookahku on Monday June 20, 2016 @03:46PM (#11940814)
I will endeavour to consider your advice and move my mind from the margins to the center. Thank you!
Re:Alan Kay has agreed to do an AMA today by gnaritas on Monday June 20, 2016 @04:21PM (#11941211)
> There's coming up with ideas: learn to dream while you are awake, the ideas are there.

Any advice on how to do that, especially for those of us who are completely non-visual thinkers (aphantasia)?

Re:Alan Kay has agreed to do an AMA today by alankay1 on Monday June 20, 2016 @04:54PM (#11941485)
Dreaming can work without images. What are your sleeping dreams like?
Re:Alan Kay has agreed to do an AMA today by gnaritas on Monday June 20, 2016 @05:50PM (#11941862)
Apparently aphantasia doesn't appear to affect dreams (from research I've read), when sleeping I do have visual dreams, but awake, nothing but black even with eyes closed no matter how hard I try to imagine a picture.
Re:Alan Kay has agreed to do an AMA today by alankay1 on Monday June 20, 2016 @06:25PM (#11942080)
If you are not blind then you can see pictures. So this would be interesting to follow up ...
Re:Alan Kay has agreed to do an AMA today by gnaritas on Monday June 20, 2016 @06:44PM (#11942188)
Not sure I understand what you're implying, I'm not blind, and only recently realized other people actually see pictures in their mind while awake. But dreaming while awake would be awesome if achievable.
Re:Alan Kay has agreed to do an AMA today by alankay1 on Monday June 20, 2016 @07:23PM (#11942398)
I'm saying that you don't see what is on your retina, but something that is manifested by your brain (and this is why you can see images when you dream).

So I'm guessing that there is a path for you to imagine images. It could be very similar to how most people who think they are tone deaf can be helped to hear pitches quite accurately.

Re:Alan Kay has agreed to do an AMA today by gnaritas on Monday June 20, 2016 @07:30PM (#11942436)
Ah, yes, I'm hoping this is true as well hence my interest in what you said about learning to dream while awake. If you don't have any specific recommendations I'll continue researching on my own.
Re:Alan Kay has agreed to do an AMA today by mdahlstrand on Tuesday June 21, 2016 @12:29PM (#11946926)
My personal experience is it's not as much "seeing" as "feeling" whatever I "see". Like with open eyes staring at but not looking at something, instead mentally focusing on peripheral, where the peripheral is more of an idea than the impression of photons hitting your retina. I often almost feel like I'm drawing the diagrams or interfaces I might think of, with sweeping gestures and so on. I definitely think it's something that gets better with practice.
Re:Alan Kay has agreed to do an AMA today by gnaritas on Tuesday June 21, 2016 @02:13PM (#11948000)
Sure, but most people have actual visuals when they imagine, most with color. That's where I want to get.
Re:Alan Kay has agreed to do an AMA today by saluk on Thursday June 23, 2016 @02:21PM (#11963229)
I mean, I CAN have visuals like that, as I don't have aphantasia. But I don't believe most of my ideas originate from the visual imagining. It usually starts with concepts, is connected through logic, and then along the way images may or may not be generated, depending on what I am ruminating about.
Re:Alan Kay has agreed to do an AMA today by alankay1 on Monday June 20, 2016 @07:36PM (#11942473)
Try doing some after images and see what happens ...
Re:Alan Kay has agreed to do an AMA today by gnaritas on Monday June 20, 2016 @10:45PM (#11943139)
Will do; thanks.