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Re:China Tops U.S. in Supercomputers by bhouston on Monday June 20, 2016 @08:34AM (#11937535)
The worst is yet to come. China's home grown chips may now spread out from China to undercut Intel at the end high cloud market if Linux-based software is easy to port to it. Intel's CPUs are way over priced and ripe for disruption if someone can get the required massive upfront investment to create a real competitor, and it looks like China is doing this. Repeatedly topping the supercomputer list is perfect marketing for introducing a new high performance CPU to the world.
Re:China Tops U.S. in Supercomputers by mtgx on Monday June 20, 2016 @09:52AM (#11938001)
A former NSA and CIA chief, wrote a post about stuff like this, before the US banned US chip makers from selling to China:

> By the time I became NSA director in the late 1990s, however, the calculation was no longer that simple. We still wanted an MTOPS advantage, of course, but we were fast realizing that our preferred limits were undermining the global competitiveness of the U.S. computer industry — the very industry on which we relied for our success. It was becoming clear that the overall health of that industry was more important than any MTOPS advantage against a specific target country. We still insisted on limits with regard to places such as Cuba and North Korea, but we became far more forgiving elsewhere.

This, of course, had a powerful, positive commercial impact, but the NSA didn’t flip its position for commercial reasons. We did it for security reasons. On balance, this change made us stronger, not weaker, over the long haul, since retarding exports would inevitably retard the technological progress that was both our economic and our security lifeblood.

That early lesson has caused me to continue to challenge arguments that technological protectionism furthers national security. It might, but then again, it could have the opposite effect if it freezes development, alienates allies, feeds distrust or invites the creation of similar barriers abroad. I would recommend these broader considerations to those in the U.S. security enterprise with responsibility for evaluating these trade-offs today.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dont-let-america-be-...

The whole post is worth reading. The same logic could be applied to US trying to put backdoors in its products for a specific national security goal, which will ultimately end up undermining US technological supremacy and national security as well. And yet the current CIA director just implied that US would be fine with backdoored products, because "where are people going to get their encryption from? The foreigners? Ha!"

This sort of arrogance, which is the same type of arrogance that ended up banning chip sales to China last year, is what will make the US lose out in the long term.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160618/08022234741/cia-d...

Re:China Tops U.S. in Supercomputers by nickpsecurity on Monday June 20, 2016 @09:56PM (#11943000)
Thanks for that article by Hayden. Wow. It echoed much of what Schneier et al kept saying to him. Shows that they're more honest, receptive, or both when they finally leave the job that forces them to BS for SIGINT gains. ;)
Re:China Tops U.S. in Supercomputers by Retric on Monday June 20, 2016 @08:51AM (#11937618)
CPU performance is not that important when building a supercomputer it's more budget * performance per node / price per node. Performance per node is useful as most workloads only scale so far.
Re:China Tops U.S. in Supercomputers by bhouston on Monday June 20, 2016 @09:02AM (#11937666)
Yes, but that is exactly what people are generally looking for in cloud machines. But I guess we need a benchmark that is oriented to web application development such as serving N nginx/go/nodejs requests per second, or running a MySQL/Postgres/MondoDB server at a certain load.
Re:China Tops U.S. in Supercomputers by lallysingh on Monday June 20, 2016 @08:49AM (#11937609)
AFAIK, Chinese CPUs are MIPS and Alpha based. Both run Linux well.
Re:China Tops U.S. in Supercomputers by ams6110 on Monday June 20, 2016 @10:31AM (#11938252)
This post has a little more detail about the processors:

http://www.nextplatform.com/2016/06/20/look-inside-chinas-ch...

Summary, it's a RISC architecture that resembles an Alpha but it's not a straight-up copy.

Re:China Tops U.S. in Supercomputers by Brybry on Monday June 20, 2016 @03:26PM (#11940640)
I wonder what the process node size of SW26010 is and if the chips were actually manufactured in China or if they were manufactured by TSMC/Taiwan.

I wasn't aware that China had competitive fabrication plants for processors. If they don't and they built these at say 40 or 45nm then wouldn't this design performance be even more impressive?

Re:China Tops U.S. in Supercomputers by melling on Monday June 20, 2016 @08:51AM (#11937616)
Sounds like a big win for consumers. AMD has not been very competitive. Intel needs to remember that "only the paranoid survive."
Re:China Tops U.S. in Supercomputers by peter303 on Monday June 20, 2016 @04:48PM (#11941441)
I've hearing this for over three decades: "Country X is on the brinking of beating US general computing lead." I must have shuddered in over 60 pairs of boots since then.
Re:China Tops U.S. in Supercomputers by mrb on Monday June 20, 2016 @06:27PM (#11942095)
Except it happened and you didn't even notice. Much computer electronics is designed and made in China. And today this: "China Tops U.S. in Supercomputers".

What more evidence do you want?

Re:China Tops U.S. in Supercomputers by KKKKkkkk1 on Monday June 20, 2016 @10:19AM (#11938174)
Why is it bad if China wants to subsidize hardware for others?
Re:China Tops U.S. in Supercomputers by bhouston on Monday June 20, 2016 @10:38AM (#11938295)
Well it is good for consumers, but it is clearly bad for Intel.