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Re:China issues demolition order on world’s largest religiou... by paavokoya on Saturday June 18, 2016 @12:25PM (#11929239)
>It's very easy to forget how free we are by comparison to those persecuted in occupied territories.

Pretty insulated thinking there.. Try traveling to Indian reservations or gentrified urban areas.. Or perhaps research Japanese internment camps in WW2. Or hell even look up Guantanamo Bay today. Superpowers flexing their muscle on a "threatening few" is extremely common.

Re:China issues demolition order on world’s largest religiou... by bmmayer1 on Saturday June 18, 2016 @01:06PM (#11929458)
Ah, the old 'Tu quoque' fallacy. Even so, let's examine some of these claims a bit:

> Indian reservations

Yes, the state of the modern Indian reservation is tragic, but doesn't that have to more to do with too much government assistance[1][2] rather than government stepping in to destroy?

> gentrified urban areas

You're not trying to suggest that living in a neighborhood that's getting nicer and more expensive is somehow akin to the government coming in and demolishing the whole city block are you?

> Japanese internment camps in WW2

Well taken point, and a black mark on the history of the US government to be sure. But there's much to be said about the state of exception in wartime[3] and it seems unfair to compare measures taken during unprecedented war with China's actions during unprecedented peace.

> Guantanamo Bay

Yeah, this is a shame. But hardly seems comparable, considering the Chinese are literally putting thousands of families out of homes and seeking to destroy an entire religious minority, and at best Guantanamo Bay is an infringement on the civil liberties of a relative handful of individuals. Not that it's right, but it certainly is at the top of a long slippery slope on which China is currently racing to the bottom.

andy_ppp's comment is apt...we have problems, but we still are far more free than almost anywhere else. And it isn't insulated thinking at all; Americans are objectively freer than the Chinese by almost any metric.[4]

[1]http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/03/13/5-ways-the-g... [2]https://mises.org/library/native-american-reservations-%E2%8... [3]http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=23630 [4]http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

Re:China issues demolition order on world’s largest religiou... by roywiggins on Saturday June 18, 2016 @05:20PM (#11930655)
Re: governments stepping in to destroy, how do you think American Indians ended up where they are today? It was hardly voluntary. And on top of that, the treaty rights they nominally have are often not enforced. Mineral rights are held "in trust" by the government and are not managed for the Indians' benefit.
Re:China issues demolition order on world’s largest religiou... by adventured on Saturday June 18, 2016 @12:50PM (#11929361)
What do those examples have to do with the parent not understanding the Chinese Government's cowardice and fear?

I don't regard it as insulated thinking at all. It makes perfect sense to be bewildered by such a disgusting display of cowardice and irrational fear by China.

Someone on a public forum says: X nation is doing a bad thing; one of the responses inevitably is: yeah but the US did a bad thing. There should be a 'law' named for that attempted topic distraction in public forums.

Re:China issues demolition order on world’s largest religiou... by munin on Saturday June 18, 2016 @01:01PM (#11929424)
> There should be a 'law' named for that attempted topic distraction in public forums.

there kind of is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes

Re:China issues demolition order on world’s largest religiou... by DblPlusUngood on Saturday June 18, 2016 @01:11PM (#11929494)
Here are even more names for this fallacy: tu quoque and whataboutism.
Re:China issues demolition order on world’s largest religiou... by lostlogin on Saturday June 18, 2016 @03:04PM (#11930086)
Thanks. "Ad hominem once removed" was as close as I could get.
Re:China issues demolition order on world’s largest religiou... by jerichois on Saturday June 18, 2016 @11:39PM (#11931689)
While this might apply in some cases, I feel for most it's about putting things in perspective.
Re:China issues demolition order on world’s largest religiou... by jerichois on Saturday June 18, 2016 @11:38PM (#11931685)
To me, OP put things in perspective.

For example, do we attribute the US governments use of eminent domain to gentrify urban areas as "American Government's cowardice and fear?"

By putting things in perspective, we realize the "Other Nation" maybe isn't doing it for nefarious means, but rather just operating like any other Nation.