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Re:DevOps Students Learn the Value of Uptime With 3 a.m. Calls by toomuchtodo on Thursday June 16, 2016 @02:14PM (#11917853)
As a DevOps guy at a startup, I'm expected to respond to alerts within 1-3 minutes at my current employer, 24/7 when I'm on my rotation. We rotate devs in to allow them to try building something "devopsy", but they're never included in the on-call rotation.

Its unsettling.

Re:DevOps Students Learn the Value of Uptime With 3 a.m. Calls by yardie on Thursday June 16, 2016 @02:22PM (#11917907)
1-3 minutes is nuts. So what I'm reading is you have nothing in the way of redundancy or even a means to die gracefully. Just zero or garbage fire.
Re:DevOps Students Learn the Value of Uptime With 3 a.m. Calls by toomuchtodo on Thursday June 16, 2016 @02:25PM (#11917938)
There is some autoremediation in place, but the expectation for responsiveness is top down. Efforts to bring sanity to the situation go ignored. Its been made clear (not directly, but through process) that there are a line of people who could take the job if that level of responsiveness isn't delivered.
Re:DevOps Students Learn the Value of Uptime With 3 a.m. Calls by yardie on Thursday June 16, 2016 @02:34PM (#11917995)
There is always someone willing to take your job. Most won't have what it takes. But managers will use that to cow you into a shitty bargaining position.

Look I've been you. I took the crappy job because I figured that was the only one available. There are better companies out there. Just ask around. Get a few offers.

There is nothing normal about being on call with a 1-3 minute response time. I'm pretty sure it's illegal as well.

Re:DevOps Students Learn the Value of Uptime With 3 a.m. Calls by bogomipz on Thursday June 16, 2016 @03:19PM (#11918240)
You should consider finding another job. I'm being serious. Yes there are generally internal SLAs and MTTR type metrics but setting a hard limit of 1 - 3 minutes to respond is not common practice at all. It speaks volumes about your management and perhaps their lack of experience/maturity. I'm speaking from a number of years of experience of working in this capacity.
Re:DevOps Students Learn the Value of Uptime With 3 a.m. Calls by serge2k on Thursday June 16, 2016 @02:19PM (#11917885)
> I'm expected to respond to alerts within 1-3 minutes at my current employer, 24/7 when I'm on my rotation

That's ridiculous. That's "Guess I can't take the dog outside this week" territory.

Re:DevOps Students Learn the Value of Uptime With 3 a.m. Calls by DanBC on Thursday June 16, 2016 @02:22PM (#11917909)
Does anyone die if you don't respond? Because I can understand those kind of response times if you're a paramedic or ambo driver, but otherwise it sounds like power-tripping bullshit from bad managers.
Re:DevOps Students Learn the Value of Uptime With 3 a.m. Calls by toomuchtodo on Thursday June 16, 2016 @02:25PM (#11917941)
> Does anyone die if you don't respond?

Not at all.

Re:DevOps Students Learn the Value of Uptime With 3 a.m. Calls by itgoon on Thursday June 16, 2016 @02:22PM (#11917912)
That's considered waiting. You're entitled to compensation.
Re:DevOps Students Learn the Value of Uptime With 3 a.m. Calls by pmiller2 on Thursday June 16, 2016 @02:19PM (#11917888)
That's beyond unsettling. It's absurd. What happens if it takes you 4 minutes to wake up enough to realize what's going on at 2:30 am?
Re:DevOps Students Learn the Value of Uptime With 3 a.m. Calls by toomuchtodo on Thursday June 16, 2016 @02:20PM (#11917898)
If you're lucky enough to have someone from engineering on the chat client at the time, they jump in, and it reflects poorly against you.

I realize the expectations are unrealistic, but as I'm sure most people know, your options are to leave or stick it out.

Re:DevOps Students Learn the Value of Uptime With 3 a.m. Calls by Declanomous on Thursday June 16, 2016 @02:35PM (#11917999)
There are more than two options. For instance, you can document this is an expectation of you, and you can document all of the times you are on call. Then you can sue them for unpaid overtime.
Re:DevOps Students Learn the Value of Uptime With 3 a.m. Calls by serge2k on Thursday June 16, 2016 @02:44PM (#11918054)
lol, OT for IT workers. Good one.

We're part of a very special group that employers are legally allowed to screw over regarding OT. Because reasons.

Actually I would really like to know the context of how that law got passed, if anyone has insights.

Re:DevOps Students Learn the Value of Uptime With 3 a.m. Calls by golergka on Thursday June 16, 2016 @02:27PM (#11917949)
I hope you're being paid in full for that.
Re:DevOps Students Learn the Value of Uptime With 3 a.m. Calls by toomuchtodo on Thursday June 16, 2016 @02:34PM (#11917991)
I'm actually $10K under market average.
Re:DevOps Students Learn the Value of Uptime With 3 a.m. Calls by anexprogrammer on Thursday June 16, 2016 @03:32PM (#11918309)
You really should be job hunting, your current role sounds abusive.

What are you meant to achieve in 1-3 mins? Answer the alert or be at a workstation?

How are you meant to have anything resembling a normal life?

Re:DevOps Students Learn the Value of Uptime With 3 a.m. Calls by golergka on Thursday June 16, 2016 @03:30PM (#11918298)
Uhm — get out, I guess?