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Re:The U.S. Navy’s Big Mistake: Building Tons of Supercarriers by Spooky23 on Monday June 13, 2016 @10:23PM (#11899340)
Fascinating analysis, that the authors sort of rebuffed at one point. Carriers are there to project power.

China may have catamaran missile boats and Sovremmry destroyers, but guess what? Those ships won't be operating far from Chinese coastal waters. Those "obsolete" carrier battle groups can operate virtually anywhere on the coast of any ocean. And they'll be able to deploy whatever mix of manned and unmanned aircraft they need to.

Re:The U.S. Navy’s Big Mistake: Building Tons of Supercarriers by quakeguy on Monday June 13, 2016 @10:48PM (#11899431)
And they can be sunk by todays military capabilities in no time, and what is more frightening, nobody can tell where the torpedo/missile came from.

China/Iran/Isreal/Russia (i could name a more few) all have the ability to do this, maybe even undetected.

Analysis of the detonation device used will be hard for a ship sunk to 3000 feet, not sayin this is impossible.

A carrier group can only do so much in the end.

Re:The U.S. Navy’s Big Mistake: Building Tons of Supercarriers by sickbeard on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @10:18AM (#11902142)
Sunk by who how and with what? everything you said is pure speculation armchair analysis. Carriers project power. end of story. If Russia had carriers and we didn't they would be on the east coast projecting-their-power.
Re:The U.S. Navy’s Big Mistake: Building Tons of Supercarriers by Spooky23 on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @03:32PM (#11904666)
I read a report that I wrote in 2nd grade (mid 80s) that my mom saved about carriers recently.

Analysts pointed out the same issues in 1985. The Backfire bomber was the crisis then.

Re:The U.S. Navy’s Big Mistake: Building Tons of Supercarriers by kosmic_k on Monday June 13, 2016 @10:47PM (#11899429)
Were carriers truly obsolete then why is china rapidly building it's own? It already has been building forward operating bases in the South China sea. Why invest in building a new class of ship which they have only recently operated if it was already obsolete.
Re:The U.S. Navy’s Big Mistake: Building Tons of Supercarriers by nl on Monday June 13, 2016 @11:00PM (#11899464)
It’s not hard to come up with quotes from the Chinese showing how much this carrier has to do with national pride instead of military usefulness:

“Building aircraft carriers is a symbol of an important nation. It is very necessary,” the China Daily paper quoted Admiral Hu Yanlin as saying earlier this month. “China has the capability to build aircraft carriers and should do so,” he said.

If you’re used to reading through DoD propaganda, no matter what country it’s coming from, you see what the admiral is saying here. Here’s my loose translation of what Admiral Hu is getting at: “We don’t actually need a carrier, but it’s part of being one of the big boys so we have to do it, like paying for your kid’s wedding. So we’ll turn out a few of them, but we’re only going to do it when it’s cheap and doesn’t interfere with production of real weapons like the DF-21.”

http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-china-joins-the-yacht-club/

Re:The U.S. Navy’s Big Mistake: Building Tons of Supercarriers by kosmic_k on Monday June 13, 2016 @11:39PM (#11899587)
They may say that, but I cannot fathom building a fully functioning carrier to be cheap by any measure. Chinese planners cannot possible expect for their artificial islands to last long in a conflict. They would be very vulnerable targets for cruise missile strikes from the Philippines, or Vietnam. So long as air power will play a significant part in warfare platforms to bring airpower where ever needed too will play a part.
Re:The U.S. Navy’s Big Mistake: Building Tons of Supercarriers by nl on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @12:16AM (#11899736)
Note that there is one Chinese carrier in use[0] and it was actually purchased to use as a floating casino[1] for ~$20M (plus refit costs of course). We aren't talking Ford class money here. I do believe they are building more, but it isn't exactly clear how sophisticated they are. There are many theories that they are just building them to make the US and India waste money on building their own.

So long as air power will play a significant part in warfare platforms to bring airpower where ever needed too will play a part.

If we are talking about a potential South China Sea conflict, then it's all in range of Chinese planes flying off Hainan.

If we are talking more broadly, then I think you'll find that the Chinese idea of world power does not involve force projection the way the US understands it.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_carrier#China

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_aircraft_carrier_Liaon...

Re:The U.S. Navy’s Big Mistake: Building Tons of Supercarriers by burfog on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @01:53AM (#11900065)
That casino thing was a ruse. It was a ploy to reduce opposition to the sale, ensuring that the ship would actually be delivered.
Re:The U.S. Navy’s Big Mistake: Building Tons of Supercarriers by nl on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @05:28AM (#11900787)
Exactly. Worked pretty well!

One would note that India spent $2.3 Billion on INS Vikramaditya[1], which was also an ex-Soviet aircraft carrier, of roughly similar vintage. It was fitted out though, so the comparison isn't entirely fair.

Nevertheless.. $20M vs $2.3B

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Vikramaditya