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Re:Killing the 3.5mm Jack: How Simple Is Changing into Needl... by WildUtah on Monday June 13, 2016 @02:56PM (#11896341)
Flyers routinely pay more for direct flights. International travelers often pay much more to avoid transiting unpleasant countries like the USA with its awful security procedures. Lots of people want to pay more for more width and recline in seats on long haul flights; no US carrier offers those but W class on foreign carriers is often their most profitable space.

But few want to pay more for leg room. It's just not much of a benefit compared to the five things I mentioned (and several others like comfortable lounges at hubs -- but not apparently decent food). The airlines want to sell leg room because it's very easy to adjust.

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Re:Killing the 3.5mm Jack: How Simple Is Changing into Needl... by qihqi on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @12:47PM (#11903283)
Avoiding US would be a big reason why US airlines are not doing so well (among others).
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Re:Killing the 3.5mm Jack: How Simple Is Changing into Needl... by WildUtah on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @03:57PM (#11904854)
US airlines are doing fine now that fuel is almost free. We'll see what happens when oil prices rise again.
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Re:Killing the 3.5mm Jack: How Simple Is Changing into Needl... by edanm on Monday June 13, 2016 @06:05PM (#11898104)
Do you have a source about international travelers avoiding the US? That sounds odd to me.

Not that it's on the way to many other countries...

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Re:Killing the 3.5mm Jack: How Simple Is Changing into Needl... by cesarb on Monday June 13, 2016 @07:06PM (#11898499)
I've read about it before, at https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Avoiding_travel_through_the_U...

Basically, the problem seems to be that the USA does not have "sterile transit"; if your plane stops there in the way to somewhere else, you have to disembark and go through customs, and you need an expensive visa.

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Re:Killing the 3.5mm Jack: How Simple Is Changing into Needl... by emp_zealoth on Monday June 13, 2016 @08:18PM (#11898865)
It's not the money but the abuse they can dish out at you. Even if you get a visa (which is a pain in the neck and a total time sink on it's own), customs can just tell you "You know what? Go f yourself." After you've landed...
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Re:Killing the 3.5mm Jack: How Simple Is Changing into Needl... by WildUtah on Monday June 13, 2016 @06:27PM (#11898257)
Try pricing tickets regularly between Latin America and Asia. My peer groups buys a lot of such tickets and the AeroMexico tickets that fly with a change of planes in MEX and go on to PVG and NRT with no USA transfer cost about US$500 more than tickets that change planes in LAX, SFO, DFW, and SEA. YVR is usually priced in between but sometimes Air Canada has deals.

There are no other flights directly between Asia and Latin America (unless you count the EK GRU-DXB flight), though NH may be flying to MEX soon.

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Re:Killing the 3.5mm Jack: How Simple Is Changing into Needl... by batiudrami on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @03:56AM (#11900475)
Flying in the US is a consistently miserable experience. Airports which are too small for the number of flights they handle - leading to cascading gate changes and flight delays, slow & interrogative customs which you must go through even if you're getting a connecting flight straight out of the US, obvious complaints about the TSA and airlines who all (apart from Southwest in my experience) really just have no interest in making flying a pleasant or comfortable time for you.

On my most recent trip to the US I selected cities that I could get between via train to avoid the entire mess apart from arrival into the US (and made an effort to depart out of Canada).

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