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Re:Why AI will break capitalism by rmason on Sunday June 12, 2016 @06:08PM (#11890536)
When he posited the Luddites had a point he lost. AI is not going to endanger capitalism. Maybe someday a better system will be invented to replace it - but it won't be Socialism.
Re:Why AI will break capitalism by adam419 on Sunday June 12, 2016 @07:09PM (#11890782)
One of my favorite quotes I think is relevant to this whole business of capitalism as good/bad/whatever:

"Capitalism is not a system, it's a word invented by some 19th century hipster to describe a situation where people freely buy and sell things" -abbreviated and author unknown

Point being capitalism is not a system....it is THE natural system. All else is a hinderance to it.

Re:Why AI will break capitalism by doener on Sunday June 12, 2016 @07:27PM (#11890848)
If it is the "natural system" why did it emerge only in the 19th century after thousand of years of societies ruled by feudalism and other systems?
Re:Why AI will break capitalism by brador on Monday June 13, 2016 @11:12AM (#11894480)
Because capitalism requires the protection and preservation of property. This requires an outside party (the government, police force, etc.) to protect the property.

If you can't defend it or feel it is safe then capitalism fails because people hoard instead of spend.

Re:Why AI will break capitalism by nitwit005 on Sunday June 12, 2016 @07:37PM (#11890878)
Capitalism isn't a system of governance. There was capitalism going on during feudalism, and every other sort of government and society.
Re:Why AI will break capitalism by doener on Sunday June 12, 2016 @08:41PM (#11891066)
Capitalism was not the dominant form of order, status or distribution of wealth in feudalistic socities. For your well-being it was more important in which status group you were born in than what you abilities were. As a member of nobility you did not work or were productive and lived very good as a rent seeker.
Re:Why AI will break capitalism by woodandsteel on Sunday June 12, 2016 @10:40PM (#11891421)
Actually, what is natural to the human species is foraging by small bands, which is basically cooperative. Capitalism became dominate only when industrial technology made it possible to vastly increase wealth through large economic enterprises. Now with AI technology it looks like capitalism may soon no longer be the way to go.
Re:Why AI will break capitalism by nitwit005 on Monday June 13, 2016 @01:36AM (#11891897)
Even the hunter gatherer societies traded. You'd frequently find people wearing decorative shells far inland.
Re:Why AI will break capitalism by King-Aaron on Sunday June 12, 2016 @09:13PM (#11891168)
> it is THE natural system

This is why almost all other group/pack species in the animal kingdom all have a central leader, because............ it's not the natural order of things. The idea of people being equal enough to contribute is only a recent concept to be fair.

Re:Why AI will break capitalism by DrPsyker on Sunday June 12, 2016 @09:55PM (#11891312)
My intent (this is my article) with the Luddites was to show that technological change also drives social change. In the case of the Luddites, they accurately recognised that automation will eventually kill "jobs" (at least as we understand them). It's fairly logical that new governance emerges as conditions in society change.
Re:Why AI will break capitalism by mpbm on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:10AM (#11892139)
But isn't that the whole point of technology? Ultimately we want to fulfill all our needs without any more effort than physics requires. As we get closer to that we have to shift society around, but isn't that a good thing?
Re:Why AI will break capitalism by DrPsyker on Monday June 13, 2016 @05:29AM (#11892600)
Definitely. I just suggested capitalism wasn't fit for purpose. The reason I use Luddites as an example is because it was a violent reaction to a social problem created by technology.

That's not a bad problem, but it's also worth recognising that we've got to think of our social structures to keep pace with the great things technology is doing for our lives.