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Re:Laid-Off Americans, Required to Zip Lips on Way Out, Grow... by Terr_ on Saturday June 11, 2016 @11:02PM (#11886419)
> It eventually has to come down to, "I'm an American, so I'm entitled to get paid more than everybody else on the planet for doing a given job."

Fuck no, it's about getting your "membership benefits" from a communal system that you've contributed to. Americans get paid more by Americans because those Americans pay more to Americans, and invest in the American economy and interact with American laws.

Who you ought to be disgusted with are the people who break the rules in order to enrich themselves from "arbitrage" opportunities. On a fundamental level, that's called theft, the only difference is the kinds of rules being broken.

Re:Laid-Off Americans, Required to Zip Lips on Way Out, Grow... by _audakel on Sunday June 12, 2016 @11:58AM (#11888644)
Ideas such as "membership benifits" and "Americans pay more to Americans" seems to create an us vs. them mentality and imply that the us party receive govnt benifits. The idea that country A receives befits over country B can be abstracted to simple free trade theory.

If you abstract a skilled worker to be a countrys "resource" and accept the idea that country A and B can ingage in "trade", than it is easy to see how US h1b style imigration worker laws are basicly tariff. They distort the price to protect domestic, by making foreign more expensive.

David Ricardo (Supply/Demand economist) and many other economists have shown countless times that countrys are better off in the long run by engaging in free trade.

If we removed the worker "tariffs" we would get more engineers, companies would be able to make more / do more. In the end US consumers would be better off by having more/better choices.

Re:Laid-Off Americans, Required to Zip Lips on Way Out, Grow... by Terr_ on Sunday June 12, 2016 @04:32PM (#11890102)
> seems to create an us vs. them mentality

No, it simply recognizes a situation which already exists, because different nations have different laws and economies. If you want a world hegemony, it's up to you to find a route that doesn't inordinately harm specific groups (e.g. US workers) while transferring value to others (e.g. US companies and arbitrage groups.)

> If you abstract a skilled worker to be a countrys "resource"

Oh? Seems to create a "people don't matter because they're just objects" mentality :P

> In the end US consumers would be better off by having more/better choices.

Unemployed or underemployed consumers never have more/better choices.

Re:Laid-Off Americans, Required to Zip Lips on Way Out, Grow... by yen223 on Sunday June 12, 2016 @04:56AM (#11887277)
Wait, do y'all think H1Bs don't pay taxes?
Re:Laid-Off Americans, Required to Zip Lips on Way Out, Grow... by CamperBob2 on Sunday June 12, 2016 @05:06AM (#11887294)
There's not a whole lot of thinking going on in this thread, in general.
Re:Laid-Off Americans, Required to Zip Lips on Way Out, Grow... by Terr_ on Sunday June 12, 2016 @04:33PM (#11890107)
Wait, do y'all just ignore the part about "outsourcing, and cheap foreign labor"?