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Re:The Japanese art of not sleeping by Artlav on Saturday June 11, 2016 @08:42AM (#11883251)
So, what part of this seems surprising, bad, unusual, etc from a western/USA perspective?

Sleeping in public, sleeping on a train, napping whenever?

The fact of time management that puts you into position that require such naps?

Or something else?

The article implies, but it's not clear for me on what.

Re:The Japanese art of not sleeping by franciscop on Saturday June 11, 2016 @09:03AM (#11883298)
I love the Japanese culture and I've lived there for a while.

Personally, what most shocked me is how accepted and common this is.

To the point that when I friend came to study to Spain she asked me: "Why is no one sleeping in the library?"

On the other side, I believe it's also dangerous. I visited Malaysia with my gf, and she would fall asleep in every train and taxi because it's just what they do.

Re:The Japanese art of not sleeping by GreaterFool on Saturday June 11, 2016 @09:24AM (#11883366)
I live in Tokyo and I think it's great. You can often see people at McDonalds early in the morning after a night out catching a nap before the trains start running. Just buy a coffee or something, grab a table, take an hour nap -- great. And this is Japan so you don't have to worry about your stuff getting stolen! Even if you sleep at the train station!

I also commonly see people taking naps during lunchtime in Starbucks. Someone will come in, grab a coffee, take a nap for 30 min, drink the coffee and go back to work. There's nothing wrong with that! (other than I want the table :P)

Unfortunately the corporate culture is not where it should be. There are some companies that want to be like western startups where taking a nap on the office sofa wouldn't raise an eyebrow but those are very rare. In most Japanese companies it would be totally unacceptable to sleep in the office.

Re:The Japanese art of not sleeping by coldtea on Saturday June 11, 2016 @01:28PM (#11884332)
Having a broken work/life balance is "great"?

They're cultures that you can see "see people at McDonalds early in the morning after a night out" all the time, without having to go there directly from working late...

Re:The Japanese art of not sleeping by GreaterFool on Saturday June 11, 2016 @02:27PM (#11884632)
No, you are taking "great" out of context.

It is great that you can safely take a nap in a public space without fear of being robbed or worse (as one would have to fear outside Japan), without having police called on you, and with general public acceptance of such action.

Nobody will think you're a bum or a mad or look at you funny. Try that somewhere else and let's see what happens!

Japanese corporate culture is terrible and that is sad. I don't have an answer to that.

Re:The Japanese art of not sleeping by jlg23 on Saturday June 11, 2016 @11:32PM (#11886490)
> Having a broken work/life balance is "great"?

Broken according to which cultural paradigms? Just because we have different ideas in the west does not make them better.

Re:The Japanese art of not sleeping by eddz on Saturday June 11, 2016 @10:52AM (#11883629)
I have worked in several office environments in Japan where coworkers have frequently napped at their desks.
Re:The Japanese art of not sleeping by msbarnett on Saturday June 11, 2016 @12:53PM (#11884156)
Right, but as the article points out, that's socially different. Working at your desk and succumbing to sleep is tolerated whereas stretching out on the couch with the intent to sleep is not.
Re:The Japanese art of not sleeping by eddz on Saturday June 11, 2016 @03:49PM (#11885017)
I have also observed this behaviour, especially from higher ranking employees.
Re:The Japanese art of not sleeping by sevensor on Saturday June 11, 2016 @02:51PM (#11884743)
Saw this often at the chaebol I worked for -- I think Korean work / nap culture is similar.
Re:The Japanese art of not sleeping by pm90 on Saturday June 11, 2016 @08:54PM (#11886139)
This is really great. I wish we could have a similar amount of trust in all countries but it seems rather unlikely.

In all the coffeeshops in Austin, Texas at least, I've seen baristas wake up customers who are napping. But I understand why they do that: there are many homeless people around and if anyone could just take naps...

Re:The Japanese art of not sleeping by kelnos on Saturday June 11, 2016 @01:13PM (#11884260)
My first reaction would be: that must be very (physically) unhealthy. But then you see that Japan's life expectancy is pretty high, around 83 years, and you wonder if it really has a negative impact. I suppose there are other measures of physical health than life expectancy, but still...

In Western terms, I would say it's "bad" from a happiness/relaxation perspective. Not really from the lack of sleep; while I wouldn't say I go as far as the Japanese, I do tend to sleep less than most people... just that all the social machinations around it: e.g. "succumbing" to sleep as a measure of looking virtuous/like a hard worker in front of your peers, for example. I find things like that exhausting and the need to do that would significantly decrease my level of happiness.

But that's just it: happiness is subjective. What makes me happy or unhappy need not be even remotely related to what makes someone else the same. As much as I may think it's weird or undesirable, all that really matters is that the people who live like that are happy with their lives. It's only a problem if they're not.

Re:The Japanese art of not sleeping by Ezhik on Saturday June 11, 2016 @02:50PM (#11884735)
Physical is one thing, but I just can't see this as being anything but devastating for people's mental health.
Re:The Japanese art of not sleeping by Godel_unicode on Saturday June 11, 2016 @03:07PM (#11884826)
That type of "work hard play hard" is a pretty common pattern at universities in the US. Not necessarily all the time, but a couple times a week it can be awesome. The big caveat obviously is you have to be the usually extroverted type of person who likes to go out and get rowdy with your friends.
Re:The Japanese art of not sleeping by eli_gottlieb on Saturday June 11, 2016 @04:10PM (#11885111)
>That type of "work hard play hard" is a pretty common pattern at universities in the US.

Yes, but usually we assume that you stop doing that for your health's sake after you finish school.

Re:The Japanese art of not sleeping by Ezhik on Saturday June 11, 2016 @04:49PM (#11885254)
And I doubt that a lot of people consider it healthy even then.
Re:The Japanese art of not sleeping by sotojuan on Saturday June 11, 2016 @03:29PM (#11884927)
Some areas of finance in the US adhere to this as well.
Re:The Japanese art of not sleeping by kelnos on Sunday June 12, 2016 @02:58PM (#11889662)
Sure, but when you consider that mental and physical health are intertwined, I'd expect to see more of an effect.
Re:The Japanese art of not sleeping by chippy on Saturday June 11, 2016 @09:59AM (#11883455)
The article frequently makes it clear, I thought, that it was napping in social situations. In the workplace, in a meeting, at a conference, during a school lesson, out with your friends in a restaurant. That is surprising, unusual and often seen as being bad.
Re:The Japanese art of not sleeping by Artlav on Saturday June 11, 2016 @10:26AM (#11883550)
So the key phrase is "explicitly socially acceptable"?

I often see people napping in all of the above, both here in Russia, around Eastern Europe and in South America. And it's no big deal most of the times.

And things like sleeping on the bus/train or sitting on a bench seem to be normal all over the world.

The catch is, i never been to either Japan or USA, so i can't set the zero properly.

Re:The Japanese art of not sleeping by allannienhuis on Saturday June 11, 2016 @12:58PM (#11884185)
In my experience in most parts of the USA and Canada at least (and I'd guess in many places in Northern Europe), napping in public places is frowned on except in pretty specific cases - parks, beaches, etc where the purpose of being there is to relax.

Of course you do see it on public transit in the early and late hours at times, and it's not a big deal, but its definitely not 'normal'. Napping at work is especially frowned upon, with perhaps the exception of someone going out to the park during lunch time.

The general feeling/culture (not necessarily my personal opinion) is that you should have had enough sleep the night before so that you can be productive for the day's work. If you've stayed up so late (partying or whatever) the night before such that you need rest during the day, you're short-changing your employer and teammates. A nap might be the right thing to do to restore your energy, but you should not have put yourself in that position to start with.

Of course these days I don't need to stay up half the night to feel like I need a nap in the afternoon... :)

[edit] After reading the article, I see that the Japanese culture connects the tiredness with working hard/late, which changes the perception. I think in the US and Canadian culture this can happen in some extreme cases - we've all heard (or lived) stories of people working like crazy to meet project deadlines, and sleeping in the office, etc. And road-warriors fighting jet lag are often given some credit for that tired/haggard look. Blue collar workers are more prone to given respect for being particularly tired at the end of the day, but napping or dozing off is still not really rewarded/honored like it seems to be in Japan, because of the quite different work-time expectations.

Re:The Japanese art of not sleeping by ramchip on Saturday June 11, 2016 @07:54PM (#11885965)
I spent a year studying in university in Japan, taking engineering classes with regular students. The number of people sleeping in class was sometimes impressive - in the worst instance I remember it was about a third of the class (but thankfully, usually a lot less). The professor just ignored them and kept going.

The real shock for me was when I went back to Canada and realized I'd picked up the habit inadvertently! I would naturally fall asleep in some boring classes and had a lot of difficulty stopping that. Generally the prof would notice and call me out to everyone's amusement, or a neighbor would give me a nudge. It really did not feel acceptable to sleep in class as in Japan.

Re:The Japanese art of not sleeping by PeCaN on Saturday June 11, 2016 @01:31PM (#11884348)
Sleeping in public is pretty weird in the US. Napping at work is definitely frowned upon, and napping in a coffee shop, public transportation, etc, is unusual but happens. It's not necessarily socially discouraged, just odd.

Honestly, it never really occurred to me that people sleep in public in other parts of the world.

Re:The Japanese art of not sleeping by ktRolster on Saturday June 11, 2016 @02:18PM (#11884585)
And when it does happen in the US, you start to worry if the person is having difficulties, and whether you should help them by waking them up. Especially on trains.
Re:The Japanese art of not sleeping by xiaoma on Saturday June 11, 2016 @03:59PM (#11885056)
I used to set my alarm on the Caltrain and sleep during my commute to the south bay every day. If someone like you had ever woken me up, I'd have been pissed. In months of commuting before I moved down to Mountain View, nobody ever did see fit to rob me of my precious last hour of morning sleep though...
Re:The Japanese art of not sleeping by ktRolster on Sunday June 12, 2016 @02:18AM (#11886899)
Nah, it's all good, I probably would have just stolen from you :)
Re:The Japanese art of not sleeping by Jill_the_Pill on Saturday June 11, 2016 @05:05PM (#11885322)
That's right. I live in the US and never saw any problem with napping in the college library, but one time I fell asleep out in my car while waiting for my child's class to end, and someone woke me to see if I was ok. Well I was just fine until you woke me, thanks!
Re:The Japanese art of not sleeping by wlievens on Saturday June 11, 2016 @01:56PM (#11884460)
Not having time left for your family?

My work day is from 7:40 to 16:20 so that I can spend time with my kids.