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Re:Why I Would Raise Chickens by paganel on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @04:30PM (#11865398)
> They might be easier to grow, but in terms of calories they seem much less efficient than, say, potatoes

I agree about potatoes, but that only works for relatively cooler climates, i.e. places like Poland or Ireland. It can easily get to 35-37 degrees Celsius in the summer at the place where my parents live (not to mention places like the Indian subcontinent or Africa), at which point storing potatoes becomes a challenge.

> But it has so many times more meat on it than a chicken, and is more energy efficient per calorie consumed too.

It's all about the return on investment. Raising cows only becomes financially viable once you pass a certain number threshold (meaning big farms), otherwise you're pretty much doing voluntary work. It's a lot of work in order to feed a cow, I mean, lots and lots of work, and said work is pretty effective in burning calories. A lot of farmers in the European Union who are in the cow-raising business (I'd say most) wouldn't make it without financial help from the EU and from their governments.

I'd say that goats are a lot better option if you really need meat. They feed practically on everything (cows are a lot more picky) and they're smaller, so they're easier to "store" and protect at night. This is why I think they're so widespread in the poorer regions of the world.

Re:Why I Would Raise Chickens by nunb on Thursday June 09, 2016 @12:08AM (#11867482)
Goat are great ... funnily enough was just at a small sheep/goat farm yesterday. The goat's milk is salty (great for keto) and my lactose-intolerant gut can stand a glass or two. Plus the cheese is way tastier, milk has more fat etc.

http://www.self-reliance.com/2015/12/why-not-add-a-dairy-goa...

Re:Why I Would Raise Chickens by sooheon on Thursday June 09, 2016 @05:19AM (#11868323)
Why is salty milk better for keto?
Re:Why I Would Raise Chickens by tmerc on Thursday June 09, 2016 @09:00AM (#11869047)
I think in keto, the kidneys flush sodium instead of retains it. If you're interested, The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance by Volek and Phinney is a good read.
Re:Why I Would Raise Chickens by sooheon on Thursday June 09, 2016 @11:12AM (#11869898)
Thanks for the recommendation!
Re:Why I Would Raise Chickens by bromuro on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @05:47PM (#11865955)
> I agree about potatoes, but that only works for relatively cooler climates, i.e. places like Poland or Ireland. It can easily get to 35-37 degrees Celsius in the summer at the place where my parents live (not to mention places like the Indian subcontinent or Africa), at which point storing potatoes becomes a challenge.

Is it? Here in South Italy we successfully grow potatoes and we have such hot summers.

Re:Why I Would Raise Chickens by pm on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @06:11PM (#11866105)
Judging from the parent comment, I don't think growing potatoes is the problem, but storing them.
Re:Why I Would Raise Chickens by maxerickson on Wednesday June 08, 2016 @10:24PM (#11867175)
The classic solution to storing potatoes is the root cellar:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_cellar

In the US they were used to keep vegetables warmer in the winter (while below household temps), but they should also work for cooling.

Re:Why I Would Raise Chickens by geon on Thursday June 09, 2016 @08:38AM (#11868930)
That's how my grandparents did it. Here in Sweden, we can have some warm summer months, and freezing winters. Their cellar let them store potatoes the whole year.
Re:Why I Would Raise Chickens by creshal on Thursday June 09, 2016 @05:06AM (#11868287)
> A lot of farmers in the European Union who are in the cow-raising business (I'd say most) wouldn't make it without financial help from the EU and from their governments.

And heavy mechanization to automate a lot of the labour.

Which, as you might expect, is even more up-front cost.

Re:Why I Would Raise Chickens by himlion on Thursday June 09, 2016 @12:55AM (#11867636)
> They feed practically on everything (cows are a lot more picky)

While technically true, if they don't get their preferred foods they are a lot more prone to parasites which decreases the amount of goats you can hold on the same plot.