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Re:10x or not: You’ve got to do things right by onion2k on Saturday June 04, 2016 @05:03PM (#11838026)
Looking at Microsoft (or Ggole, Apple, Facebook, etc) is a distraction. They have the resources to keep great engineers from leaving toxic environments - not just by paying a lot, but by having the most challenging and huge scale projects, and by having other great engineers. Those things don't apply to Acme Software Inc. Most businesses aren't building world-class teams or making cutting edge products. In that environment cultivating a team where someone speaking up might be shot down and made to feel ashamed will lead to developers refusing to share ideas, which is potentially bad for the business, and worse, refusing to share experience, which is definitely bad for the business.

If an engineer feels they can admit a mistake early then the rest of the team can help to fix the issue before it escalates to the point where you lose a client. If an engineer hides their mistakes because they're afraid of how their boss might react, things are left lingering, and they don't get fixed. That's how really big problems happen.

Re:10x or not: You’ve got to do things right by xiaoma on Saturday June 04, 2016 @05:29PM (#11838157)
This is definitely true today. It wasn't true when MS was a startup and Bill Gates was particularly harsh and it certainly wasn't true when Steve Jobs returned to Apple. At that point they were only a few months away from bankruptcy.

Another data point is the vastly greater acceptance of giving workers a tongue-lashing in China vs the US. In that case as well, the harsher culture has certainly been growing faster in terms of engineering-driven companies. In fact, I've never seen a US company of comparable size that can move as fast as a Chinese tech company. Part of this is due to differences in IP and compliance laws but I believe culture also plays a role.

To be clear, I don't like that employers treat their staff harshly. That doesn't necessarily mean the practice is less effective, though.