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Re:Moving Forward on Basic Income by paulddraper on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @09:02PM (#11819612)
> What's the alternative, work at McDonalds and develop no useful skills in the meantime?

Do something useful. (FYI, someone paying you is a strong indicator of "usefulness".)

Re:Moving Forward on Basic Income by lugg on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @09:24PM (#11819694)
This attitude is incredibly american.

I'd rather my taxes went to someone trying to build a business than someone that "tries" to get a job only to get fired after a month every time.

Re:Moving Forward on Basic Income by paulddraper on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @10:52PM (#11820041)
> This attitude is incredibly american.

As an American, I often fear that responsibility, self-reliance, and self-determinism aren't respected by my countrymen.

So I'm rather heartened to hear that.

Re:Moving Forward on Basic Income by unprepare on Thursday June 02, 2016 @09:27AM (#11822271)
>responsibility, self-reliance, and self-determinism

and you feel that an employee better exemplifies these traits than an entrepreneur?

Re:Moving Forward on Basic Income by paulddraper on Thursday June 02, 2016 @10:25AM (#11822662)
I feel that taxes do not exemplify these traits.
Re:Moving Forward on Basic Income by unprepare on Thursday June 02, 2016 @10:33AM (#11822727)
you feel that 'taxes' dont exemplify those traits?

taxes isnt a living person, so it cannot demonstrate self-reliance/self-determinism.

this doesnt even make any sense

Re:Moving Forward on Basic Income by lugg on Thursday June 02, 2016 @03:27AM (#11820915)
I'm aware its probably not an accurate portrayal, its just the kind of thing the UK/AU/NZ hears a lot from americans and we don't quite understand the narrow minded logic.

While you're right that the doll bludger should "just get a job", you thinking that isn't going to change the fact that they won't.

Re:Moving Forward on Basic Income by detaro on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @11:06PM (#11820101)
And if you can't find someone (=clients) paying you, you won't have a business. And if you can't make a case that someone would very likely pay you, they won't approve your plan.

Such programs aren't VC funds, they are a way to get tiny companies off the ground and to legalize under-the-table gigs (which are worse for both worker and state in the long run).